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    This strikes me as being very off-topic for lobste.rs.

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      Agreed. If the main thread is talking about Alex Jones and the pizza thing, it’s a reasonable indication that maybe something is off-topic.

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        It’s getting funny at this point how the two of you magically show up in every one of these threads to downvote and thought police the discussion. I hope you’re at least getting paid for it.

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          I appreciate angersock’s efforts to keep the site clean. Even if I don’t always agree it’s nice that someone still tries.

          Thanks @angersock! V.v.V

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            It’s not magic. I read lobste.rs almost every day and have thoughts on what is on/off topic. Perhaps my comment is frivolous, though, but this one seems so blatant to me. No conspiracy that magic is actually real but the MSM + government is covering it up needed to explain it.

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              Flag it as off-topic and move on.

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                I’m aware of my options. Feel free to ignore my comment if you believe that is the proper way to deal with the content.

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        Online vigilantism can certainly have negative effects, but in a country like the United States, which often refuses to prosecute criminals when they are government employees, it is often the only option available.

        I’ve also seen examples of vigilantism that have been created by mainstream media. Take the “pizzagate” conspiracy, which most people probably thought had something to do with a pizza restaurant. It turns out that’s only because that’s how the media represented it in the news. I decided to spend an afternoon researching it in depth and discovered that the term has almost nothing to do with restaurants, but instead refers to a code word found in emails leaked by Wikileaks. None of that is mentioned in most MSM articles about the conspiracy.

        Fast-forward, and we see news stories about a vigilante walking into that pizza restaurant with a gun, and I think we have mostly the MSM, who decided to focus exclusively on a pizza restaurant while ignoring pretty much 98% of what the conspiracy is about, to thank for it.

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          Actually, it was Alex Jones and colleagues who made up that insane story and pushed it on naive and gullible people. http://thehill.com/homenews/325761-infowars-alex-jones-apologizes-for-pushing-pizzagate-conspiracy-theory

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            So, first, thanks for that link, as it’s a perfect example of what I was saying. The entire thing is focused on the “Comet Ping Pong” restaurant, which is again, about 1% of what the conspiracy is actually about.

            Alex Jones is not the origin of the conspiracy, which predates him by probably many years, so if he also misrepresented it, that’s on him.

            I’ll check out the linked apology video, but here’s also a recent interview from the Joe Rogan show where Joe interviews Alex about pizzagate among various other topics, and in that interview Alex is very clear on this point I’m making, that the conspiracy has little to do with the restaurant (although yes, it is one of the things mentioned in some of the emails).

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              Alex Jones is a con and people who take him seriously need help. When he is in trouble, he calls his work “performance art”. There is no pizzagate conspiracy, just a money raising hoax for people who like to be frightened.

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                Alex Jones is a con

                If he’s a con, he’s far less of a con than the MSM, and unlike the MSM he isn’t responsible for generating fraudulent wars that have destroyed hundreds of thousands of lives. EDIT: I take that back. Looks like he might soon be.

                He’s also been right more often than the MSM has been, and as your apology video link demonstrates, he actually apologizes when he screws up, unlike the MSM. The MSM issues token apologies for little things, but for launching this country into a bunch of illegitimate wars? Nope.

                and people who take him seriously need help.

                People who prefer style over substance need serious help.

                There is no pizzagate conspiracy

                Well, the fact that information about a conspiracy exists, is indisputable. That you have no idea what said information is, appears to also be the case.

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                  I support precise use of language, but I also support common sense reading comprehension. “There is no conspiracy” usually means “Conspiracy, which exists, has no relationship with reality”. Your literal interpretation is unhelpful.

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                    I support precise use of language, but I also support common sense reading comprehension. “There is no conspiracy” usually means “Conspiracy, which exists, has no relationship with reality”.

                    However you interpret that sentence, it’s unfounded. To comment on something you need to be informed first.

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                        If I believed a government conspiracy exists to cover for a massive child sexual abuse ring, I’d certainly dedicate a good portion of my life to bringing it down, including by well-reasoned arguments backed by evidence to anyone who was willing to listen.

                        Good man.

                        You claim that the “MSM” is (deliberately?) obscuring the reality of the pizzagate conspiracy. Please enlighten us.

                        There are two different things being talked about here:

                        1. Whether the MSM (and yes, please get used to writing that without quotes) is misrepresenting what pizzagate is.
                        2. Whether pizzagate itself is true.

                        #1 is easily proven, simply by searching online for pizzagate material. This isn’t difficult, you just avoid everything MSM. Why avoid everything MSM? Well because if any of a number of conspiracy theories are true (e.g. the factually-proven-beyond-all-reasonable-doubt “9/11 was an inside job” conspiracy), then you’ll realize that the MSM is the government’s mouthpiece, pretending to represent a diversity of viewpoints when in fact its agenda is to represent a single viewpoint.

                        So. If you’re good about avoiding MSM, you’ll stumble upon this wiki, where you can explore what the topic is actually about. There you will eventually discover, by following various links, that not only does “pizzagate” have little to do with a pizza restaurant, but in fact it even has little to do with the term’s origin (Podesta’s leaked emails). Rather, it is a catch-all term for exactly what you termed “a government conspiracy exists to cover for a massive child sexual abuse ring”.

                        If you aren’t turned away by this point by your own mental conditioning and brainwashing, you might continue exploring the subject further, finding article after article after article containing evidence supporting various aspects of the theory, and at some point you’ll remember that it’s not at all surprising to find powerful people in powerful organizations accused and proven guilty of molesting children (cough Catholic Church cough).

                        Now I am not saying #2 is true, but I am saying that you have been mislead about what pizzagate is (click the links and verify for yourself), and that there is certainly plenty of evidence to consider not all but perhaps some aspects of the narrative to be true.

                        Safe travels to you in exploring the world of conspiracy theories, I’ve written a handy guide for keeping yourself sane while doing it.

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                          So let’s see if I got this right. 9/11 was an inside job, and the “MSM” is covering it up, hence “pizzagate” is also covered up. Although “pizzagate” might be false.

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                            Troll harder @apy!

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                              I’m dismayed that you think I’m a sock puppet. I would think the lack of spelling errors should make it obvious I’m not @apy. Also, trolling?

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                                I’m dismayed that you think I’m a sock puppet.

                                Invited to Lobsters by @apy with 3 comments in your life, two of which are in this thread. Yeah, I think you’re either a sock puppet or a stooge.

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                                  I’m not @apy, although I did once work with him IRL. You seem pretty conspirational… But be that as it may,. I’m in all honesty interested in your line of reasoning. Especially these quotes; “[Since some] conspiracy theories are true (e.g. the factually-proven-beyond-all-reasonable-doubt “9/11 was an inside job” conspiracy), then you’ll realize that the MSM is the government’s mouthpiece” and “Now I am not saying [pizzagate] is true, but I am saying that you have been mislead about what pizzagate is” So if this is true (the Government controls mass media), how come you can find the Truth on the internet? Seems to me the Govenment is doing a pretty good job on controlling e.g. Google.

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                                    So if this is true (the Government controls mass media), how come you can find the Truth on the internet?

                                    How do you ask me such dumb questions? Honestly?

                                    This is why I downvote you as trolling, because I can think of no other explanation.

                                    Where on Earth did you get the idea that MSM includes the entire Internet?

                                    And what on Earth does that have to do with the actual content that I’ve linked to?

                                    Troll harder!

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                                      I honestly don’t think the question is dumb. I might be dumb, but I don’t understand your mental model of how the world works. Like if the government controls the “MSM”, how come it can’t control Google/Youtube the same way? Or the entire internet, for that matter? I mean, if you can pull off a false flag 9/11, getting some videos taken down from Youtube should be a piece of cake?

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                                        You know, those are much better questions, and they actually do have very good answers (although if you think videos aren’t taken down from YT… you haven’t been paying attention), but, I unfortunately have spent more than enough energy answering people’s questions here and pointing them down roads that they are free to explore on their own.

                                        If I had all the time in the world I would gladly answer. But the answer is (a) complicated, (b) I don’t have all of it, and (c) I have to run. Sorry.

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                          Adding this video as well, which I just came across: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP1MtaSIePk

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                      Could you give me 5 factual things he’s been right about that the MSM hasn’t?

                      (I take it we’re just ignoring his snake oil and pills business that he profits from?)

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                        Yeah, 9/11 being an inside job is the one that stands out most to me and puts him above most other American journalists.

                        I honestly don’t watch him enough to come up with a longer comparison list than that. But being right on 9/11 goes a very long way.