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    I’ve never seen the appeal of wireless mice for desktop computers. They’re heavier and die at inconvenient times.

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      Just like people!

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        I run a couple of systems through a KVM and a USB hub. It’s a seven port hub, and six ports are occupied. The mess of cables is so bad that even switching to a wireless mouse makes a difference for the better.

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          Wired mice usually contain metal ballasts since they otherwise would be too light.

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            I don’t use any with mine. 80g and it feels great :)

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          Love the tank mouse.

          Switches end up failing over decades of use, but they’re standard: Just solder new ones.

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            Yeah, they just do not know how to die :)

            I have also seen modifications of it into the ‘laser’ mouse :)

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            What makes a mouse a “UNIX” mouse ?! A good mouse is good no matter the OS you use it with.

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              That depends.

              If you would be able to set some of the mouse features only with Windows only application - then it would definitely will not be a good UNIX mouse, wouldn’t it? :)

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              I’m a pretty big fan of the Razer Basilisk Ultimate. It’s wireless — either using Bluetooth or the provided USB dongle that uses a lower-latency custom protocol (and the dongle stores itself inside the mouse for travel!) — but crucially, the mouse comes with a charging dock. When I’m done using it for the day, I put the mouse on the dock, so I never have to worry about it dying at inconvenient times. The dock also can have the dongle plugged into it neatly, so you only need one USB port: the single cable from the port to the dock:

              • powers the dock
              • connects the wireless dongle
              • and charges the mouse when you dock it.

              The mouse also works in wired mode, unlike Apple’s wireless mice — and it uses the same USB cable as the dock, so in a pinch, you can simply unplug the cable from the dock, plug it into the mouse directly, and use it as a regular wired mouse.

              It has fancy lighting and programmable buttons, etc, but I don’t really care about that — I just think they’ve basically entirely solved wireless mouse UX. When I last looked it seemed like no one else offered similar setups, although Logitech had something close if you were willing to use a special wireless charging mousepad they make (I preferred not to, for vain aesthetic reasons).

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                has a USB dongle so Bluetooth is not needed

                Why? Bluetooth is built into pretty much any laptop / tablet / phone and a lot of desktops. For the few where it isn’t there already, a USB Bluetooth dongle is dirty cheap (I have three sitting unused in a box next to me). With Bluetooth, I don’t need to worry that the manufacturers managed to actually make a secure protocol (historically, on average, they haven’t) or that it won’t interfere with other 2.4 GHz things (again, historically, they have) and I don’t need a dongle if my laptop does have Bluetooth. Most of the mice that you buy these days that do come with a USB dongle are just Bluetooth ones where they bundle a Bluetooth USB dongle because they cost next to nothing.

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                  This is because Bluetooth is too power-heavy, almost all bluetooth HIDs go into sleep mode fairly aggressively, and take a noticeable and infurating amount of time to wake back up and re-negotiate the handshake. Probably getting better these days with BTLE, but I’ve yet to find a BT keyboard that didn’t take an annoying time to wake up.

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                    The Bluetooth is ‘first class citizen’ in an Android world but definitely not in the UNIX world. Sometimes Bluetooth just enabled in BIOS (and not used) can break the suspend/resume on FreeBSD. The OpenBSD has removed all Bluetooth support long ago. This is why I demand from a mouse to have a tiny physical USB dongle. To not rely on Bluetooth protocol. I may use that Bluetooth for additional devices to easy switch between my UNIX system and therm - but I do not prefer sitting in a command line to pair Bluetooth devices on UNIX.

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                      The Bluetooth is ‘first class citizen’ in an Android world but definitely not in the UNIX world

                      The only certified UNIX I’ve used recently is macOS, and it has fantastic Bluetooth support. In open source *NIX world, FreeBSD’s Bluetooth support is not as polished in terms of UI but I had no problems setting up a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse the last time I tried.

                      Sometimes Bluetooth just enabled in BIOS (and not used) can break the suspend/resume on FreeBSD

                      I used an external USB dongle, so the BIOS isn’t involved at all, but if it breaks suspend and resume then that seems like a bug that could be fixed, rather than giving up on a widely deployed technology. 15-20 years ago, exactly the same was true on FreeBSD and Linux with USB keyboards and mice instead of PS/2 ones and it was generally a good idea to set the BIOS to emulate PS/2 rather than expect a USB HID to work. Today, that would be a ludicrous idea but only because people filed bug reports and helped identify the root cause of problems with USB HIDs on *NIX.

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                    I used to use the MX Master 1 at work and liked it so much that I got an MX Master 2 (which is essentially the same product) at home. The USB port is nice because you can charge it easily and continue to use it while doing so (looking at you Apple) but I go months between charging it. So no, the presence of the port does not mean bad battery life.

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                      Thanks for sharing that, maybe MX Master 3 will be my next mouse then :)

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                        I loved my MX Master. Slinging the scroll wheel around was quite rewarding. I’ve switched to a Kensington Expert Mouse trackball for now. I was disappointed the logitech vertical and trackball mice had such inferior scroll wheels.

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                        … but given the fact that Logitech MX Master mouse also has micro USB port at its front for charging I would suspect that battery time is also not that great.

                        That is not my experience, I use a MX Master 3 on a daily basis for hours and rarely, every 2-3 weeks, have to charge it.

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                          2 weeks is quite short for me …

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                            Honestly, it could also be 4-6 weeks. I did no accurate book-keeping. The point is, it is so seldom that it do not notice it. Also it’s pretty fast charged and I can use the mouse while the cord is plugged in.