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    It’s unfortunate that even in the internet realm, the paradigm that russians and chinese are ‘the others’ is still being perpetuated. The great thing about the internet is that it brings people together across vast distances. Still, language and cultural barriers (and political too) are harder to overcome.

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      The paradigm is true in the physical and digital realms. So, it should be perpetuated. Here’s a simplistic overview:

      1. Several big countries, esp America, are imperialists that want to dominate, police, and especially financially exploit the rest of the world. They used military might a lot in the past. Then they used coercive, trade negotiations where each side was using spies or rich companies to get leverage. Later, America and its partners added a big-ass SIGINT network spying on everyone for self-defense but also advantage in contract and legal negotiations. They protect a lot of their advantages, earned and ill-gotten, via corrupt, I.P. laws.

      2. Russia and China were building their own empires. They’ve each been to war with America, who wants their governments changed and them to bow down. Instead, they grew their own countries finding their own allies to rest Western imperialism and do their own where they could. Although some cooperation happens, they definitely want to move as much money, markets, and tech from us to them so their own companies and governments can win with it. They found it cheaper to steal I.P. and classified secrets than to build the stuff in the first place. So, they invest to this day massively in spies and hackers to do that. They’ve increased their own capabilities a ton with many huge companies forming that now compete with America. On the low end, the poorer people in those countries with lax enforcement of hacking or fraud charges against American targets found that lucrative way to come up.

      And the article has a U.S. vs Russian and Chinese hackers with a government angle for both. Makes a ton of sense in light of No 1 and No 2. Hell, right now, Russia is protecting an American that did their biggest expose and U.S. is doing some trade war or something with China. I’m not sure where you get Americans, Russians, and Chinese all being brought together as a cooperative, peaceful group thanks to the Internet. Some people and companies might fit that but the overall story is non-violent form of war and pillaging.

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        In what sense is it theft?

        I mean, it’s illegal theft to copy that tech according to the US government, but presumably not according to the Russian/Chinese ones.

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          f it’s not theft, illegal, or bad, it’s weird that they hid and denied that they did it so much. ;) Well, that’s just intuition. Their IP agreements are more official. They were only paying lip service. I kind of like that after watching the Wired documentary on Shenzhen. I’m anti-lock-in via patents and copyrights.

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            They’ve signed onto an agreement that made it possible for them to get their goods to US (and allied) markets. And made it illegal, you’re right.

            Choosing not to spend much on enforcement isn’t exactly the same as not having it on the books…

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              Their military and hackers work together to steal massive amounts of Western I.P. in every sector they can get. That’s the total opposite of not spending much on enforcement. That’s like hugging a person talking about cooperation with mutual benefit while fleecing everything you can off the person.

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        Russians and Chinese aren’t being treated as “the others” in the internet realm. They’re being treated as the others in the English-speaking internet realm. This would be a nonsensical thing to say in Russian or Chinese on a Russian or Chinese forum. But that’s not where we’re communicating now.

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        That was an excellent article! I guess it doesn’t say that many of those forums are general “hacking” sites, where you can find mainly cracked games, movies, etc.

        So, some are less like criminal organisations and more like sharing communities.

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          Does anyone have links to the Chinese sites included on the graph?