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    When Then Zen show art when-then-zen.christine.website

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    Wow, thanks a lot for this!! I’ve been trying to start learning/practicing/struggling with meditation. Will keep looking at this.

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      No problem, If the articles get overwhelming somehow, also take a look at the plain text versions of them.

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      Just a friendly note: the text portion of the submission isn’t meant to mirror what the site says already. The story submission guidelines say this:

      When submitting a URL, the text field is optional and should only be used when additional context or explanation of the URL is needed. Commentary or opinion should be reserved for a comment, so that it can be voted on separately from the story.

      In the future, I would avoid adding explanation text, especially for authored submissions.

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        I removed it, thanks.

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        The sutta tipaka (aka: the buddha’s discourses,) of the 2000+ year old Pali canon is basically a series of “If you do this, this result is caused. If this occurs, then X occurs” It’s a completely pragmatic text that addresses directly causes and conditions of happiness. That’s it. It’s light on philosophical/ontological speculations and moralism. The buddha would famously go silent when asked “does the self exist?” Or “is there a god”, etc and to questions of “should I do this” he was also silent, he would simply say what sorts of actions produce what sorts of results. He was a pragmatist. An “if these conditions arise, then this occurs”. Mostly, the whole thing goes on and on with lists of causes and conditions that result in certain things. In fact, the Sutta’s can almost be boring with the exact and precise outlining of lists of conditions required, like reading an arcane recipe or technical information about an experimental setup.

        You could say the whole thing is a bunch of feature cards that describe causes and conditions for certain results :)

        Saying that, like any technical text, there’s language & context that can make it hard to approach & best approached after some experience with observing the processes of the mind & body carefully & directly (aka “meditation”). U Pandita’s instructions on labeling (and his frequent citing of the pali canon) I feel offers the best approach in for uber-geeks who like to be really exacting and precise about what exactly is going on as they observe the process of body and mind. If that’s not relateable, more approachable students of his include Sharon Salzberg and Joseph Goldstein.

        In the Sutta’s You will rarely, if not at all, find moralism or philosophical (ontological) speculations, the early (Christian/Jesuit) translators like to use the word “Lord” for buddha, but recent translators get rid of a lot of that baggage and it’s presented less as a religious text and more as a manual. I think the best translation at the moment is by hacker / monk Bhante Sujato who released a whole translation in 2018… suttacentral.net

        I don’t want to diss the buddhist tradition here, it does present a hell of a lot of beautiful poetry and imagery and so on, but the pali canon, man, that thing can by dry but hella useful for its descriptions of how, for instance, perceptions of objects arise in the mind, how self-and-object arises, how physical pain can produce various levels of suffering or discomfort depending on one’s orientation to it, and so on.

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          My hope is that these introductions (that link back to the source material, or approchable syntheses of the source material) get people interested in the topic enough they do their own research. I don’t really like forcing any one source, method or teacher above any other; most of this is intended to be self-directed and fractally deep. I don’t try and assume what anyone’s path is, I just present them resources so their heart can tell them where they should look next. Sometimes people don’t, and that’s okay too.

          There’s a lot of useful things that the original teachings have as a result of their casing, but that casing itself is what has made the teachings appear unpalatable. I feel the messages the teachings offer have such a vital importance to us all that we must offer a more palatable introduction. Is it better to let something die being “right” or to let it fluidly adapt to the times of the Now?

          Arguably that’s a subjective question; I opine it’s too great of a benefit to risk inaction.

          I’ve personally been working on some Lojban translation of parts of Buddha’s suttas as a way to help learn and really understand them. I haven’t posted it anywhere yet (I’m not fully happy with the resonance of the message), but I will.

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          SSL error :-/

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            Weird. I’m using CloudFlare SSL. What is the exact error you’re getting?

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              Here’s the error + cert details: https://imgur.com/a/lf1X1DK

              Apparently my browser doesn’t trust “Cisco Umbrella Secondary SubCA chi-SG”?

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                $ curl -v https://when-then-zen.christine.website
                * Rebuilt URL to: https://when-then-zen.christine.website/
                *   Trying 2606:4700:30::681c:a33...
                * TCP_NODELAY set
                * Connected to when-then-zen.christine.website (2606:4700:30::681c:a33) port 443 (#0)
                * TLS 1.2 connection using TLS_ECDHE_ECDSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256
                * Server certificate: sni39908.cloudflaressl.com
                * Server certificate: COMODO ECC Domain Validation Secure Server CA 2
                * Server certificate: COMODO ECC Certification Authority
                > GET / HTTP/1.1
                > Host: when-then-zen.christine.website
                > User-Agent: curl/7.54.0
                > Accept: */*
                < HTTP/1.1 200 OK
                < Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 15:36:21 GMT
                < Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
                < Transfer-Encoding: chunked
                < Connection: keep-alive
                < Set-Cookie: __cfduid=da886babdf3f59507ccfd8adafe8a9aaa1554910581; expires=Thu, 09-Apr-20 15:36:21 GMT; path=/; domain=.christine.website; HttpOnly; Secure
                < Last-Modified: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 14:10:10 GMT
                < Expect-CT: max-age=604800, report-uri="https://report-uri.cloudflare.com/cdn-cgi/beacon/expect-ct"
                < Server: cloudflare
                < CF-RAY: 4c55cbbc6dd4c997-SEA

                You sure your network is okay? It should be served by CloudFlare/Comodo, not Cisco. I think your network might have a TLS man in the middle on it.

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                  Looks like some Cisco VPN trickery.

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                No. This is entirely serious.