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    If you are having problems accessing the article in Google Groups, you can find it on olduse.net here: https://article.olduse.net/4737%40ethz.UUCP

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      Login-walled. Cannot access without a google account.

      EDIT: Scratch that, lobster’s provides a ‘cached’ link below the article link. Works ;)

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        That happens if you’ve ever logged into Google before; clear your cookies

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          This works, thankyou :) I had a work account in there. Not making that mistake again.

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          Weird, I can access it without being logged in. I just tried in a not-logged-in-to-Google private browsing session and it worked fine (and it has the “Sign in” link at the bottom, where it usually displays the email address of my signed-in Google account).

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            what browser

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              I’m using Firefox 62.

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            It’s just a JS-wall, not login-wall.

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              Not a JS wall.

              If I go there without javascript then I get a page without CSS containing a hyperlink to https://accounts.google.com/AccountChooser?continue=https://groups.google.com/forum/m/&hl=el&service=groups2

              The page source is otherwise devoid of any groups/message content.

              EDIT: This is the same both before and after clearing cookies. If I then enable JS (and therefore go through a redirect) I end up either at the login page or the actual groups page, depending on my cookies (as per posts above).

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            Having recently imported a Trabant, I’m facinated by the people of the DDR’s need to do more with less.

            One of my curiosities, being also interested in early computers, is what computing was like in the DDR.

            EDIT: Actually, I should correct myself. Not so much “do more with less,” as “getting by with less.”

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              is what computing was like in the DDR

              If it was like in the communist Poland, then in homes mostly done over smuggled computers from UK and US.

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                That’s interesting. I can look up systems created in the DDR and USSR, but what did people actually have access to? That’s a different question. I hadn’t even thought of smuggling in western computers.

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                  In Poland there were special shops where you could buy western items for $$$ (called Pewex and Baltona). There were computers like Atari XE/XL or Commodore 64 offered. Additionally there were flea markets or specialized computer markets organized once per week usually in schools where regular people were selling and buying computers, equipment and (non-genuine) software in local currency (Złoty). These hardware and software items were usually smuggled with help of families on the West or sailors. Sometimes people just got permission and passport to travel to the western countries and with money that was saved they were buying computers. I read somewhere that someone smuggled computer in a freezer. Selling such computer could give money to survive half or whole year. There were official (state) companies that were building and selling computers but for regular people they were very hard to buy. Usually their products were exported to other countries and only items that didn’t met quality standards were sold in local market. Sometimes regular person could buy computer or some electronic equipment in special shops for scouts (Składnica Harcerska).

                  I remember that my father obtained second hand Timex 1000 (clone of Sinclair ZX81) with 16kB expansion pack in the mid of 80’s - I guess it cost lot of money that time. For sure it was USA version as there was special transformer attached to its power supply. Later (around 1989-1990) they bough me and my brother Atari 65XE. My colleague had a family in the West Germany and thus he had got Amstrad/Schneider CPC 464 - actually not very popular machine in Poland that time.

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