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    Decentralise! Look at what the CCC does with their content here: https://media.ccc.de/

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      My first thought was “they can host it elsewhere”, but that doesn’t solve the discoverability. Many of these channels are about getting people to take they’re first steps in the security space. These newcomers won’t know to look on a dedicated community, or even a smaller universal video platform, but they sure watch YouTube.

      YouTube does a decent job of showing thumbnails and titles to people who might be interested, and without that tease, I’m sure the reach of infosec videos would be much, much lower.

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      We should all take a look at peertube. It’s matodon for video https://joinpeertube.org/en/

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        It’s mastodon for videos, alright. Just like with mastodon, the people and foundations and so on that I want to follow is just not there. It sucks to be honest. I’m keeping the hope alive, though.

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          You should ask them to move to mastodon. Actually would be nice to have some kind of petition asking people to move to mastodon.

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        I’m all for the idea of Google’s draconian policies forcing all the interesting content off the platform and to its competitors. A race to the bottom in terms of content quality seems to be a thing that happens to all the big platforms. It’s a little funny that if you try to turn machines into organic, thinking systems, they are then susceptible to a sort of digital natural selection.

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          And a little ironic this natural selection selects for highly maladaptive traits, with such a stubbornness that it ignores the counsil of psychologists and ethically orientated cognitive scientists as luddite wichcraft and patronizing.

          It’s not the first time culture goes to hell, but this time it’s on an unprecedented scale as well as being one of the most harmful ones in history.

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          Use Vimeo then?

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            Vimeo could do the exact same thing in a near future. PeerTube looks like a more logical choice, although it comes with different costs and trade-offs.

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              I’m all about keep moving on and away platforms, we shouldn’t pretend any one website is going to save us all.

              Even lobste.rs, one day, might be a place which won’t feel welcome to us anymore and that’s ok.

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              How about pornhub, then? If I’m not mistaken, some popular gun channel moved from Youtube to pornhub after it was censored.

              It would be interested to see a pornography-themed website accepted as mainstream due to draconian policies from the major tech firms. Revolutions in culture have been ushered in for less.

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                Sure but what’s the point?

                You actually have alternatives, to me that’s admitting that once you are not on YouTube you might as well be on a porn site. Which is sad indeed.

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                  I don’t think gun channels got censored/removed, “only” demonetized and pushed out from recommendations. Outright banning infosec content is on whole different level of nasty. Also, IIRC there definitely was joking about using pornhub and viewers uploaded lot of content there, but I don’t think anyone actually did the switch.

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                    YouTube outright banned gun making/smithing/ modifying videos. The videos that got demonetized are the equivalent of “A funny thing happened in the infosec world this week”

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                Today I set up a peertube instance at https://watch.44con.com/ for Security conferences and researchers.

                We won’t have open registration, but for any existing security conferences worried about their talks being taken down, they can use our site as a backup. They just need to get in touch with us (details on the about page).

                We’re also open to security researchers of note.

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                  I take it you have experience with peertube. So just a quick question. Feel free to disregard it.

                  Where do I find interesting things to watch on peertube? If I go to peertube.social, I don’t find anything of interest to me. I try the names of channels I know from youtube, but no luck. Do I have to find specific instances just like watch.44con.com or is there other ways to find content other than “just browsing” page after page? And where do I find other instances?

                  It’s kinda the same problem as with mastodon. It’s not easy to find things to follow. Not as easy as twitter and YouTube anyways. Sigh.

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                  Turns out it was a mistake:

                  YouTube spokesperson confirmed to The Verge that Cyber Weapons Lab’s channel was flagged by mistake and the videos have since been reinstated. “With the massive volume of videos on our site, sometimes we make the wrong call,” the spokesperson said. “We have an appeals process in place for users, and when it’s brought to our attention that a video has been removed mistakenly, we act quickly to reinstate it.”

                  https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/3/20681586/youtube-ban-instructional-hacking-phishing-videos-cyber-weapons-lab-strike

                  (Disclosure: I work for Google)

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                    “With the massive volume of videos on our site, sometimes we make the wrong call,” the spokesperson said. “We have an appeals process in place for users, and when it’s brought to our attention that a video has been removed mistakenly, we act quickly to reinstate it.”

                    This is in and of itself a good reason to self-host rather than relying on Google. The expectation that content should be available if and only if Google approves, perhaps after a manual approval process, is terrible.

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                      In this case the video was available immediately, but moderators took it down after misinterpreting site policies. Then when it was appealed moderators realized that policy did allow it, and they reinstated it. That seems pretty reasonable to me? Like, you can’t allow all videos (ones you legally can’t host, incitement to violence, probably porn, probably gore, etc) and wherever you draw your lines you need moderators to make decisions about what side videos are on. Some of those decisions will be wrong, and in that case you have appeals and reconsider the decision. The policies, enforcement, and appeals process could all be better (though of course we only hear about the cases where they decide poorly) but the general outline makes sense to me.

                      When I hear people’s ideas for how a decentralized replacement of YouTube would work, it seems to me like while you solve this for hosting (anyone can host anything, subject to legality) you’d need similar processes in whatever system you end up with for content discovery and promotion. How do you imagine this working?

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                    Also youtube-dl will download entire channels. I’ve done this for null byte’s channel

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                      We should all take a look at peertube. It’s matodon for video https://joinpeertube.org/en/