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    This is exactly why I left the UX and design world. It never went well bringing any of these thoughts up at design meetings. Frustrating, because in my view, asking if we really are doing the user right is exactly the most important question to ask and not let go of. There are (phenomenal) exceptions, but they are rare. – I understand though.. flash sells. I just wish it wasn’t so.

    I left for the frontend, but it’s the same there. Nobody questions SPAs. Nobody questions flashy animations and moving objects. I guess flash sells.

    Since January I’m happily working in the backend, and if all goes well the only design and frontend I will ever touch are internal tools. You know, the sites with real users that just needs it to work and to be fast. It’s ironc. Only when users do not have an alternative can we start doing the right thing for them.

    Nat, I hope you succeed.

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      I guess flash sells.

      I don’t think there’s anything wrong with this. I know TUI/low-animation styles are “popular” (in the sense that there’s a lot written about it, at least) in online FOSS circles, but most people do enjoy animations, art, and good visual design. The challenge when making any software, especially ethical software which isn’t willing to setup a skinner-box style AB-test engagement loop, is to appeal to what people actually like in their software. Entities (corporations and otherwise) that have no ethical reservations about AB-test driven engagement loops have had a lot more time to refine these models and have a lot more money to do so. I’m very excited to see a growing number of libre projects that try to remain ethical while offering attractive visual design, and I realize it’s a huge challenge.

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        When I think of flash, I think of applications recreating their own not substancially but noticably different. I think of something like Zoom that doesn’t feel like using the default UI toolkit, but instead has it’s own round and padded buttons and color scheme. Electron apps also do this, but for other reasons. My guess is that this is done to look different in the eyes of a non-technical user, or to appeal more to those that are used to mobile applications.

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        I don’t think “flash” sells. I think it’s popularity is better explained as”it helps product management get promoted”.

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        I don’t like this narrative that everyone needs to be protected all the time. Just to argue the devils advocate, how much is the user really responsible for their behaviour ? The way some of these articles go is like people are hopelessly addicted with just one whiff of social media. Even bananas release dangerous levels of dopamine. Maybe the issue is specially people, not the UI. It’s not the gambling that is addictive but the need to boast about wins that is the real problem. I think warning labels over websites / apps could be one way of approaching the problem coupled with resources for addicts. That just needs a dialogue box. Perhaps we can implement a backend timer that checks if the user is addictively accessing the app / site.