There is an ‘edit’ link under the story title you can use to change tags. This just looks like ducking downvotes.
To fill in some context, itistoday submitted this story twice, with the second submission having different tags.
“Lobtards looking for reasons to downvote the Thiel story. I guess they just find it embarrassing.”
Hello! This is the second political post you’ve made, which is only very indirectly related to technology, that has been downvoted and you have reacted negatively. On the about page of Lobste.rs it is clearly state that this site is “technology-focused”. That is a somewhat vague statement, but the general consensus of the community is that articles have to directly relate to technology. So, for example, an article about people being assassinated where the technology used to commit the act happens to be drones would generally not be considered “technology-focused”. Nor would an article about a technologist voicing their opinion during a particular country’s election.
Given that your have multiple posts that do not fit into what the community feels is appropriate for the site, I think it would be really great if you engaged the community about what you think should be valid posts on here and if the community disagrees with you simply accept it and move on. I don’t think calling lobste.rs “Lobtards” is a very empathetic way to generate support. It certainly doesn’t make me like you.
To give another perspective: Do you feel that if you posted this on the Linux kernel development mailing list and were told that it is not the correct place for your link, that would reflect poorly on that mailing list? Certainly lobste.rs has a more general list of acceptable topics but the list is still finite, and politics is generally agreed to not be on that list.
I cannot speak for other members of lobste.rs, but I come here specifically for the content being focused on technology. But lobste.rs is not my only source of news, you are actually about a week late in posting this as I read it in other sources when it happened. So if you are concerned that readers of lobste.rs won’t be aware of what is going on in the US without you posting it here, I think that is unlikely to be true.
On top of that, myself and many others here do not live in the US, so content that is about US politics is especially uninteresting to me as I can do little to affect change, even if I were interested in it.
If you want me to take you seriously, stop being so hypocritical. Remove the stories where drones do good things as well as the ones where drones do bad things. Or allow both of them.
Likewise, do the same with political pieces that relate to personalities in tech.
When the hypocrisy and stupidity that’s causing harm to people ends, I’ll stop using terms like “Lobtards”.
Do you feel that if you posted this on the Linux kernel development mailing list
Terrible analogy. The Linux kernel development mailing list is not for general tech news.
It certainly doesn’t make me like you.
I’m not here to seek the approval of hypocrites. I’m here to share truth that’s relevant to tech.
I want to point out that, from a moderation standpoint, nobody’s removing anything. When posts get downvoted, that’s the will of the community. Your disagreement isn’t just with one person, it’s with the majority of your potential readers. And that’s how I personally feel that decisions about what content is appropriate should be made, almost always: not by top-down rules, but by the community.
I’d suggest that, since your posts about politics consistently lead to downvotes, it would be worth considering whether you really want to show them to an audience who are going to be unappreciative.
Anyway, I know downvotes are frustrating, but please keep in mind that there’s been a strong consensus over a long period of time, and don’t direct your anger at individuals.
I want to point out that, from a moderation standpoint, nobody’s removing anything. When posts get downvoted, that’s the will of the community. Your disagreement isn’t just with one person, it’s with the majority of your potential readers.
I’m very much aware of that. By “remove” I meant “downvote off the FP”.
And that’s how I personally feel that decisions about what content is appropriate should be made, almost always: not by top-down rules, but by the community.
We are not in disagreement.
I’d suggest that, since your posts about politics
Please stop using the word “politics”, it’s insulting. You are ~~literally~~ figuratively spitting on people’s lives when you do that.
It’s a description, not a dismissal. I feel that these topics are important, actually, but I read about them elsewhere because I can only deal with so much horribleness and need to control my intake (I think this is roughly the 50th news item this week that has seriously frightened me).
It’s a description, not a dismissal
It’s also a dismissal, and it’s disgusting.
I can only deal with so much horribleness and need to control my intake (I think this is roughly the 50th news item this week that has seriously frightened me).
Do you know why there’s so much horribleness all the time?
It’s precisely because people dismiss it using terms like “politics”. You can’t fix a problem by sweeping it under the rug, especially when our industry—tech—is responsible for much of it.
I respect your position, but I do not agree with the implicit idea that we all have a responsibility to read about this stuff all the time. (Where would that stop? Would it be permissible to ever read about any other topic? I could easily arrange to consume no positive material at all, without a reduction in how many things I read.)
At some point, I’m as upset about it and as resolved to do what little I can to fix it as I’m ever going to be. Seeing more isn’t helping. I think everyone has a right to decide for themselves what that point is.
I respect your position, but I do not agree with the implicit idea that we all have a responsibility to read about this stuff all the time.
Whoever said “all the time”? We are in “violent agreement” as they say.
But none of the time? Some of these stories, like the Thiel story, like the drones story, need to be on the FP of Lobsters and other tech communities.
Well, anyway, you’ve made your case and perhaps it will sway others.
Citing yourself for a nonstandard definition of a word is not very convincing.
I like how your reply doesn’t address the substance of what I said, and how you used a sock puppet account to immediately undo the downvote I gave you.
Ethically bankrupt human beings.
I’m sorry to disappoint you, but I’m not the one who upvoted my comment. Thanks for the down vote though.
I’m sure the probability of someone stumbling upon and sympathizing with your vapid comment in a highly downvoted post under four or so collapsed comments, within a few minutes of my downvote, was quite high.
You’re welcome for the downvote, and your comments are still vapid.
It seems we agree that certain venues are not appropriate for this link. You seem to have gotten clear feedback that lobste.rs is one of those venues but refuse to acknowledge it. Why is that?
I’m not sure where the hypocrite claim is coming from, it would be appreciated if you could cite specific examples so we can become a better community. It might help your case to take a minute and reflect on if calling the people whose support you want “lobtards” and “hypocrites” will be a successful strategy to gain that support.
I’m here to share truth that’s relevant to tech.
This is what is missing for me, actually. Can you draw the direct link between technology and this link? Peter Thiel certainly made a lot of money in technology but there is no technology described in this link which is generally what lobste.rs is about. As @Irene kindly pointed out elsewhere, just because people downvote a news article here doesn’t mean they don’t believe the topic is important or do not read about it elsewhere, but rather than there are limits to what is desired content in this particular venue. Maybe you could elucidate why you think your opinion should override what the rest of the community at lobste.rs thinks?
I’m not sure where the hypocrite claim is coming from, it would be appreciated if you could cite specific examples so we can become a better community.
I did that already in the drones thread.
Frankly, I’ve made multiple solid points in this thread, and have been mob-downvoted by people, and received (for the most part) responses that don’t counter any of the points that I’ve been making.
So there is no incentive for me to spend any more effort on this. No matter what I say, no matter how solid my points are, my posts will be downvoted.