Jess recently organized Wontfix Cabal, a conference for maintainers of open source software. It was a perfect day of conversations.
I wish the article had her talking about the trials she faced organizing that! Or perhaps about why she thought it was needed and what she felt she did better–you know, things that give us more insight to her as a person who solves problems.
Be the change you want to see, and write that article.
I’m not sure why this is share-worthy. What is the content here that people are upvoting? Not trying to be snarky - genuinely interested if there was something I missed.
I’m not sure why this is share-worthy.
Not sure why it isn’t. It’s an interview about a [good] dev and an open-source maintainer, and the post fits perfectly under the person tag :)
The title needs to be fixed to be more useful (is the link her personal site, a biography, some post about her?).
She has been one of the more consistently public, helpful, and relatable faces of Docker for years. Good presentations and demos.
It’s not really that much about her, though, unfortunately.
It reads like “docker kubermetes docker, a couple observations about open source, generic advice, plug for help for docker or kubermetes”. She seems like a perfectly nice person, but she doesn’t seem that much more noteworthy than any of a thousand other open-source developers paid to work on infrastructure projects. The interview doesn’t really cover anything personal about her, it doesn’t have her saying anything we haven’t heard a thousand times before or at least going in-depth on a story to explain her advice. The systemd->butts transform was amusing, to be sure, but otherwise why?
I hate to be this, well, mean, but shouldn’t we be using the person tag for people of, well, note?
And yes, this is kind of a core problem with the person tag. This person isn’t that interesting–given the information in the submission–to me, for example, but I could probably pick some alternate submissions that might be equally uninteresting (a person I know who is a greybeard at GOOG and has some cool projects.
But where to draw the line without being petty? What makes articles under people good articles (instead of PR puff pieces)? Therein lies the rub.
I get that anger is in your username and stuff but if you describe your own post as mean it’s probably not constructive.
She is without question “of note” in the open source community. Especially in the infrastructure / “devops” space.
If you don’t know her, maybe that’s not your thing?
I think the problem here is that the interview doesn’t really say enough to convince someone that she’s worth interviewing. If you know her, you get it. If you don’t, then… we’ll, this isn’t helping, unfortunately.
You’re right. Unfortunately, I don’t know that anyone who’s already “soaking in it” will take the time to write the “Hey, all you folks not in Devops, this is why Jesse is awesome!”.
Maybe a little bit of open mindedness on people’s parts would help?
Yes! This is the key. We should probably trust our community a bit more than suggest an post with a decent number of points is irrelevant.
Clearly not “without question”, right? Perhaps in the Docker/Kubermetes realm, but the article itself really doesn’t give much information about her, why she’s a big deal, or what she’s done. And that sucks, because people here are pointing out waaaay more interesting accomplishments she’s had.
But again, the problem with the person tag is that you and I can both draft up a list of at least a half-dozen devs that are “of note” and yet the other one of us will go “huh?”. And in a few decades time, probably none of the people on those lists will be remembered.
IMO it comes down to what people want this community to be about.
I can totally see the angle where “person” violates the spirit of the place - what makes Lobsters great is all hardcore tech - all the time.
I can also see the idea that showcasing awesome community contributors could be a good thing.
The person tag is for stories about people, not profiles. A link to one of her talks, an in-depth or technical interview, or any one of a number of her blog posts would not have been flagged as off-topic.
edit: I’ll also point out that in general the person tag is used alongside another tag. Cases of “person” alone are generally of some historical significance, an interview, or a death announcement; all of which are more substantive and/or better discussion topics than a simple profile.
I’m with you. The title alone means nothing to me. I thought it was going to be some sort of memorial when I first saw it. But there isn’t really much of any content there. There’s nothing technical in it. I don’t understand what we’re meant to get from it.
It fits HN more because that site is full of fluff like this, but I wouldn’t expect it here.
I completely agree, this is not the kind of content I want to see here.
FWIW this was only posted in here because it’s in the front page of HN. @av consistently posts whatever is popular there here (most of the time it makes sense, though).
I like this content, but I don’t think that something reaching the front page of HN is a good litmus test for if it should be cross-posted here
Lots of people don’t know where to start, and stories like this can be helpful. Lobste.rs has previously made similar pages for some of our users.
Well, the community has voted for it so I guess you’ll just have to avoid clicking the link and move on then.
By the same argument tabloids are the best because there’s lots of demand for them!