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    There was a comment in that HN post that stated:

    Lobste.rs is basically Hacker News without intransparent moderating based on whims, liberofascist social justice warriors, stalinists and feminazis. I like browsing it, but it doesn’t have as much activity as Hacker News.

    It was soon moderated and marked as “dead”.

    Inflammatory words, but the moderation part has some truth to it in my experience.

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      i would mark any such post as troll too. There is no content beyond the insult - and the insults are unacceptably vitriolic.

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        And they make us look bad. Many people will think that’s how comments on Lobsters look or how most of us think about HN. Neither is true. I tried hard in my summary there to avoid causing a quick dismissal by the crowd which that troll earned for themselves. I count it going dead as an example of HN moderation doing their job.

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          Your summary was wonderful detailed and a great representation.

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        liberofascist social justice warriors

        LOL what is that even supposed to mean

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          “Bad bad people who are bad and I disagree with them”, I think.

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          The presence of people that doesn’t ditch social issues was the exact reason I joined lobste.rs (complete opposite of what that person thinks what lobste.rs is). If I wanted a community of techbros, I would have joined any other community on the internet.

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            The presence of people that doesn’t ditch social issues was the exact reason I joined lobste.rs

            Really? I don’t visit Lobste.rs as often nowadays, however I remember that when I joined the site it was because that it focused on tech (and stuff interesting to hackers) more than politics. Has that changed?

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              It’s still focused on tech, but social issues also happen on tech. And from what I noticed visiting the website in the last months, people don’t just dismiss them, solely because they are social issues. Which I think it’s a good thing.

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                Could you point me to some example threads here (or, better, the relevant tags) that you refer to as social issues?

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                  They are often tagged with culture or culture + person when it’s something very specific. I just don’t link the threads specifically because I don’t know how the moderation will feel about that. But, if you google “site:https://lobste.rs + term” with a term related with social issues, you might find them easily.

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                It’s news to me…I’m still working on keeping that stuff out.

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              The problem isn’t that HN is moderated in a politically biased way, it’s that it’s not really properly moderated at all. I’m sure this is what you actually meant, but it’s important to point out. I’m a leftist with liberal opinions and I also found HN’s moderation lacking.

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                obviously whoever posted that comment has never seen my replies

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                  plz delete this

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                  I posted my view on this here. I know it might be perceived as an official stance of some sort since I was only person speaking for it when I wrote it. I’ve also been cross-posting between the sites knowing there was a rough history. So, I took care to describe the benefits of our site, note the history, note that many of us like both sites, some don’t, and highlight differentiators. I prefer the Hacker News and Lobsters communities coexist peacefully wherever possible since I see them as different things both of great value.

                  I’m sure it will come up again there or on another forum. Although I’m mostly set on that stance, I’ll still read any feedback in case there’s a better way of presenting that or if I should’ve added/removed something. I just want it to be accurate historically and currently so people researching aren’t needlessly surprised by anything. They get the picture immediately. I highlight the positives. Then, readers do what they want from there: enjoy it, ignore it, whatever. We’ll still be over here enjoying great content and discussions regardless. :)

                  Edit: Saw pushcx in comments as “Harkins” after I submitted it. So, there were two of us with one an actual official, err admin, of the site. ;)

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                    Personally, I find hacker news to be stressful. Every time I read it I feel like there is a swarm of conflicting arguments. My biggest concern would be the hacker-newsification™ of lobsters. Peaceful coexistence works for me.

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                      Apologies if this is not the thread, but I did something of a controlled experiment on my “undefined behavior” post a week and a half ago, posting it to lobste.rs first, then waiting for it to be posted to HN and Reddit (rust, programming, and C_programming). The best discussion was /r/rust, then lobste.rs, then HN. The other Reddit threads were quite bad. This is a topic which has often quite contentious discussions, there’s a large contingent of people with thin knowledge but strongly held opinions. I deliberately wrote it in a non-provocative style, most especially circulating it among experts and toning down statements which they identified as controversial or confusing before publishing.

                      That experience will directly influence my posting patterns. When I write interesting blogs, I’ll post them here first (I have two in the pipeline: “a few of my favorite sigmoids” and “IIR filters can be evaluated in parallel”) and wait for them to be posted other places or not. Obviously, my Rust stuff will go on /r/rust first, that’s something of a home community for me (it’s so far the only place my leaving Google has been noted).

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                        This is a topic which is often quite contentious discussions

                        I’m also going to add to your interesting study that this is a topic that people have argued repeatedly often not reaching an agreement. I didn’t say much about it for that reason. I bet many civil or insightful people would avoid discussions on topics that were just worn out a lot on a forum. Undefined behavior, using C, and so on are examples of stuff we’ve debated a lot here. So, keep that in mind as you’re trying to mentally model the response. I think that variable also applies to all the communities on such topics.

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                          I’m also going to add to your interesting study that this is a topic that people have argued repeatedly often not reaching an agreement.

                          Agreed. I think that makes it a useful metric of a community, how people respond to such topics. I also think some people deliberately write things designed to stir up controversy. Likely HN is at much greater risk just because the community is so much larger, and of course people there routinely take the bait.

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                        I asked around a year ago if they could update my username from ‘Harkins’, which is not even my last name anymore, to the handle I use everywhere now, but it was technically hairy. And, yeah, +1 on peaceful coexistence. Not just because they’re 100x bigger and could sit on us, but because online communities aren’t a zero-sum game, let them do their thing their way.

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                          The thing I like about lobste.rs is that it is focused directly on technology. HN ’s problem is its wider scope: tech + startups and entrepreneurship. In that scope, a vast array of social topics become fair game for discussion. A sizable subset mutate into ‘dumpster fire’ threads.

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                            From your comment:

                            We also did a mass invite not long ago that changed things up a bit.

                            When was this happening?

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                              Probably referring to invite pledge drive. Here’s where it started and ended.

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                            As a /. refugee from the time dinosaurs walked the earth, somehow HN never clicked for me enough to want an account there. Lobsters did. Somehow, for me, Lobsters comes across as a more friendly community than HN.

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                              Indeed.

                              I get the underlying current on HN, that if I’m not making money for myself or helping someone else make money, I’m a waste of comment and air. The moderation seems to be generally in that direction as well. I’d call it as the impetus of being a venture capitalist firm’s media arm. Then again, the larger their “community” gets, the more trolls and bad people will move in. And since it does have to do with capital-Money, trolls are guaranteed.

                              Admittedly, I post less here primarily because I don’t have as much to add to the technical articles.

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                                Very much same, I blocked hacker news in my hosts file and browsing the web has gotten to be a friendlier and less pretentious experience.

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                                Put up a brief explanation for how to get an invitation via #lobsters. Brace yourselves. :)

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                                  I agree we should bring over folks but lets not invite carte blanche. Invite people you would like to see and are willing to have civilized discussion about technology, don’t invite people you know nothing about. At the very least have a conversation with the person you’re hoping to invite to make sure they aren’t intending to come here to simply stir the pot.

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                                    Indeed.

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                                    I just find the fact that your Lobsters handle is friendlysock and your HN one is angersock absolutely hilarious

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                                      I’ll leave it to @friendlysock to expand, but I believe they changed their nick here deliberately, but it seems to be hard-to-impossible to change a nick on HN (as per @pushcx comment elsewhere in this thread).

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                                    TIL it’s just a Rails app and not based on some fancy tech stack.

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                                      I recently gave a presentation with an overview of the community and technical stack for the site. The slide deck makes for a short summary of the moving parts.

                                      Lobsters is no more complicated than it needs to be. It makes it easier to contribute to, debug, and understand.

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                                        Heck, we don’t even serve any js unless you’re logged in. (And I’m sloooowly making sure all the functionality works without js.)

                                        And the first commit in the repo points to the Lobsters codebase being, briefly, even less fancy than Rails.

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                                        The thing that has always turned me off about HN is there’s no way to turn all the entrepreneur stuff off. I do not want to start a company. At all, very likely ever :)