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    Personally, I think it takes lots of courage to stand for a right cause, after all opposing a corporate decision for the company you work for is not an easy thing to do. Having said that, I still have some facts to highlight:

    Our opposition to Dragonfly is not about China: we object to technologies that aid the powerful in oppressing the vulnerable, wherever they may be.

    Not only that applies to Dragonfly, it also applies to Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Yandex, Facebook and other big technological corporations all over the world, and certainly it’s part of a problem we (as citizens and members of our species) should aspire to solve.

    The correct thing would be to work towards empowering users with technology they can control and in turn one in which they also control their data (something that happens with libre software and related crypto software), the biggest challenge is to create consciousness in younger generations about the importance of individual liberties and privacy, that’s an area in which (I think) we are loosing but must keep working on.

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      May sound depressing, but maybe the most effective way to create consciousness about those topics is saying this to new generations:

      Your data is your money.

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        Third time’s a charm!

        It’s important to vigorously oppose efforts by those who benefit from unjust status quo, and not allow them to control the narrative to the point where its accepted that dealing with the harm caused by them is the responsibility of the victims of that injustice, rather than the responsibility of the powerful perpetrators.

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                    That’s typically just as far as such discussions go, but I’ve been lead to believe there was more party material to back up the “Socialist” claim.

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                      That’s true only if you accept that society rightfully excludes those that the Nazis excluded. However, I was highlighting the the way that spacekid was using “Communist” was equivalent to the bad faith assertions about the nature of modern socialism often made by right wing pundits.

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                  I hadn’t thought about it that way, and it seems reasonably enough for young people.

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                    The other topic is the bad usage of resources, extreme capitalism, etc. Data will join “officialy” the toolchain to enable this, also.

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                Google’s effort to create a censored search engine for the Chinese market that enables state surveillance.

                My abiding reaction reading this is what utter hypocrisy.

                Surveillance is acceptable when it’s for corporate interests?

                Tracking every possible crumb of data - not only across the internet through analytics. fonts, hosting jquery et.al but physical location too - which is no doubt stored forever in their data centres.

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                  I wouldn’t say acceptable, but I I think selling ads is a very difference application than state persecution, imprisonment, and execution.

                  I mean, I agree is a little bit hypocritical, Google tracks way to much stuff and it’s potentially a bad thing, but collaborating with a totalitarian state known to kill dissidents is way worse.

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                    I think the line being drawn is the technology being used by organizations to kill people who, by our standards, didn’t warrant killing.

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                  For a brief moment I was very sorry for Justin and DragonflyBSD…

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                      I really hate this trend of employees of big companies using Medium as a pseudo-anonymous complaints board.

                      But they are nog anonymous at all? At the bottom of the post is an extensive list of employees with their names and titles.

                      If six zillion Google employees feel this strongly about this issue, they should get together, draft a letter, sign it, and deliver it to management. This is what people of integrity do when they feel strongly about a given issue. Put your money where your mouth is people. Yes, that means risking your job. Do you feel strongly, or not?

                      The only difference is that they also posted the letter they drafted and signed online to spread awareness about their position and get additional signatures. I’m sure that they have sent the letter to management as well, so I don’t see what is wrong with them also putting it online.

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                        Quite right. I stand corrected. Good on them!

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                      I guess they’re working on it, but I’m disappointed to see only 384 signatures, with very few managers (not counting program managers). C’mon, Googlers! C’mon, management! Stand up for people who aren’t waited on by chefs and surrounded by fountains of gold! You can work anywhere if need be!

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                        This may be a side note and even off-topic, but I find it quite interesting to see the distribution between teams in this document. Interestingly, Google Developer Advocates are usually very outspoken, but none of them are on the list. SRE is a group that is not that public facing (they have a public profile though) and there’s quite some names on the list.

                        I have no conclusion to draw, but I dig watching things like this.

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                          Liz Fong-Jones listed her title on signing asa developer advocate, so that’s one I think.

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                          I wonder if employees would be willing to stay and cut their pay if Google cancelled this project.

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                            Probably? They were already willing to put themselves on a blacklist that will likely cement any future promotion (and subsequent salary raises), by signing this.

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                              I think that’s an unfair accusation based on what I’ve seen at Google, but I might be naive.

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                                Yeah, I was being a bit pessimistic.

                                I do think that there are other people who didn’t sign this note but who support that, so if your superior is one of them then you are likely safe. But at the same time, if you’re high enough your superiors are now the people at the top telling everyone to think about the business…. I dunno.

                                I think “barring you from top positions in the near term” is a reasonable assumption here, given that the people at the top were trying to push this through.

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                                  Maybe people at the top would quite reasonably take from this that these individuals might not make decisions that would best serve the company, if they were put in high enough roles.

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                            Excellent, the threads on this post have finally given me the impetus to filter out practices, thanks for that

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                              whats all this hate for dragonflybsd. next you’ll be telling me to stop using slackware to chat with my coworkers!