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    Moving To Hetzner Cloud from DigitalOcean devops finance web figbert.com
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    Hetzner is awesome. I first used Digital Ocean too, but after getting more familiar with VPSs, I found Hetzner and used them since then. I think I started using Hetzner Cloud soon after they left beta status, which was already some years since ago. Have been very happy with them since then! :smile:

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      I wish hetzner has other locations, including US and Asia. Digital oceans allows more locations. I guess the direct competitor here is scaleway, they both have limited selection of locations, and seems hetnzer having lower price now.

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        I have two cloud servers at Hetzner. To be very very honest, a cloud provider with no presence in the US at all is really attractive for me. It’s not that I would outright cancel if they did create presence in the US, but I would become more wary of public response and opinion on the company.

        It’s a small matter of principle, I guess. I care about Europe, and feel like it’s threatened sometimes.

        At the same time, if you want to run a company with worldwide presence, I totally understand Hetzner is less attractive.

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          Yes, absolutely. Hetzner even has a data center in Finland, which is kinda rare.

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            Another problem with a potential DC is that the US government can ask them to give over your data. That may not be an issue by itself, in theory, the government is working for the good of its citizens. But some governments, US included, are particularly bad at abusing this data to target groups of people to perform semi-legal or outright illegal operations. Additionally, once I have that data in a US datacenter, I can no longer guarantee my users that their data is fully private, as is the EU citizens’ right.

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            vultr is probably a more direct competitor to DO in the vps space.

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              Yep, with even lower price.

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                Depends what you mean by lower price, Vultr definitely has lower priced options but seems to be more expensive for the same specs on Hetzner

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              Seen as it was mentioned here, Scaleway seems to be the only cloud provider I’ve been able to find with ARM hosts available at a reasonable price. Yes, AWS has ARM, but they’re for literally 2.5x the price.

              I’ve been pretty happy with them overall, despite being on the other side of the ocean.

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                I have a single VM currently in DO because I use it to run a couple of services for my family (in the Caribbean) and also for when I am traveling home myself. Hetzner is great but the latency of going to Europe and back for something like a VPN adds up very quickly.

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                  Contabo (also in Germany, in fact right here in Munich) has even better pricing, depending on what server you want.

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                    Thanks, they seems offering bigger instances at similar pricing with hetzner. But their website looks really outdated, and makes feels like it’s a scam site :(

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                      I agree, looks like crap :) I even had to wait for them to “activate” my account or something, but I did get the VPS access date l data a few hours later. But it’s legit and it works so far at least.

                      As for the scam, they’re in Germany so that would make it pretty hard for them if they actually cheated, I think. So I don’t actually know what their game is. Maybe they oversell or something, which I don’t notice because I’m not using much of the resources.

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                      To bad they don’t offer any API that I can see. Love using Terraform for IaC.

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                        It seems like they haven’t even automated setup. There are probably manual steps involved in setup. But an api is an often requested feature. Let’s see how quick they can deliver it.

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                  Hetzner is quite cool although if you’re running Docker containers over there, you gotta be careful. Unlike other cloud providers, Hetzner offers no “Firewall” product (like AWS Security Groups,Digital Ocean Firewall etc). The only way to restrict incoming traffic is by yourself using iptables/ufw etc.

                  Surprisingly Docker and UFW don’t play nicely together as demonstrated here. I’d like to make a move to Hetzner myself from DO but because of this limitation, I’m unable to. I know there are workarounds and hacks, but fiddling with iptables rules for protecting sensitive information is not something I’m willing to do.

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                    It looks like they added a Load Balancer since then so that information might be out of date. (source: https://www.hetzner.com/cloud )

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                      They seem to be building features, which is nice. First just vms. Then volumes, networks, floating ips, load balancers. I wonder if object storage is next?

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                      I’ve been bitten by this. I felt pretty stupid afterwards.

                      My feeling is that docker is to blame here, after a lot of years, still not working with a widely deployed firewall, bypassing it if it’s enabled, and not supporting nftables at all? And not to mention the cgroups v2 issue.

                      Yet I’m still using it. I should have moved to using podman or such…

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                        I felt pretty stupid afterwards.

                        Same. Luckily I had just workloads with non critical data. I spent the following week moving back to DigitalOcean.

                        should have moved to using podman or such…

                        Does Podman respects UFW rules? How do they do networking stuff differently than Docker? Would be pretty interested to explore more on this.

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                          Does Podman respects UFW rules? How do they do networking stuff differently than Docker? Would be pretty interested to explore more on this.

                          As far as I’ve understood it, podman doesn’t touch your networking at all. You have to set it up yourself, but I probably have misunderstood something in this area.

                          I’m still (happily) using Hetzner, but I should really move to something else than debian/docker as this is still broken.

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                            Late comment - podman works just like plain old Docker, setting up network and all. Played around a bit with it using ansible on a brand new cpx11 on Hetzner, it’s so much faster than my old machines at home, hard to go back to after tasting that speed. Oh well.

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                        I’m currently running a bunch of Docker stuff on my DigitalOcean VPS, and have been relying on ufw for my firewall needs… Going to look into this right now, thanks for the heads up!

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                          If you have machines on Hetzner’s Robot (the bare metal offering) then you have a firewall option

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                            Yep, but like the author in the post said, one of the reasons to move was Cost. I doubt I’d want to pay 50% extra (yes for better resources) just to get Firewall. I think it’s a basic security feature that they should have offered in their core offering for a VPS too, but then again it gave me a chance to experiment with FreeBSD so not complaining much :)

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                              Hmm, … a used 32G machine on Hetzner costs as much as a 32G VPS and has double the disk space (on RAID-0). And you can get 64G machines on robot (not on cloud). There are use cases where their cloud offering is better and others where their bare metal is best. I’ve run hybrid workloads there with great joy.

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                          I run all my private projects on either scaleway or hetzner cloud. Both are cheap and quite good

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                            I’ve been using Hetzner for a year, I’m quite happy.

                            Price for large chunks of storage is a bit expensive.

                            The only issue I’ve faced was a snail mail letter threatening collection if I forgot to pay an open invoice. I had no idea they couldn’t auto process paypal.

                            I’m based in Germany so my experience could be different from others outside.

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                              Hetzner has the best web UI of all cloud/IaaS/etc. providers I’ve used.

                              I wish they had more locations though, they would save me some DigitalOcean and AWS €.

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                                For what it’s’ worth, you can get even better option at 4€ (~$5.35) at contabo.de - their base VPS is on unmetered connection, and they give you 300GB of space on their cheapest VPS. I do have a server there, but I don’t know about reliability, I’m only using it for play projects, just like my hetzner servers.

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                                  Their site looks like it’s from a past decade.

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                                    And that look and feel makes me think that’s a scammer/fishing site. Also, notice the unmetered connection is limited to 100Mbps, which is reasonable, but a little bit too slow for me.

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                                    Contabo seems to overprovision. The servers are often slow as hell. And they don’t seem to have much automation, which is why server creation can take a while. But for the price it might be worth it.