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    I always had difficulties to talk with a friend, be it with Jitsi, Google Hangouts, Skype, talky… Jami worked out of the box!

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      Too bad that Jami requires to install yet another video chat client. Jitsi works perfectly fine in the browser and all I need to do to invite someone is to share a link (and password).

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        Jami does have the interesting technical upside of being P2P.

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          Is this still true?

          From the linked article:

          We’ve decided to transform Jami from a simple peer‑to‑peer communication system, into group communication software […]

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            Yes it’s still P2P. It allowed only 1-1 video calls so far!

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              Jami dev here Jami is p2p and will be. That’s the goal of Jami.

              It allowed only 1-1 video calls so far!

              In fact this is false. There is only 1-1 text communications for now (and like the article says it’s the next step), but video conference was here since a loooong time. But without rendezvous, video layouts, the conference protocol, etc. It was just unusable. There is still a lot of things to do, but a lot of features for this were added.

              Also we know that Jami lacks for a web client and maybe this will come one day. And indeed you can’t share a link and password, but you can share an app (also for Jitsi on mobile you need the app)

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                I was astonished by the claimed video bandwidth. How is the decoding performance? How many people can share video realistically till CPU melts for some of them?

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          Browser based video conferencing is dead. I think that is clear by now? Zoom runs circles around any implementation that uses the browser. Both in performance (CPU usage), number of supported clients and reliability. How often do you need to refresh your browser in Jitsi to make it work again? How often can you not hear at least one participant (and they are not muted!). How often does screen sharing not work in Jitsi? It seems to be unfixable… If after all these years it still barely works with 5 users, makes your CPU fan spin to maximum speed all the time, it is time to give up on it and move on. Not everything is a nail. Put down the JavaScript hammer.

          What is much better as a basis is a native app that does not require the browser (WebRTC) at all and supports hardware accelerated video encoding/decoding on ALL clients. It seems Jami provides this, or aims to provide this. Excellent! We need more of this “back to basics” design instead of piling on top of the dumpster fire that is browser engines.

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            Browser based video conferencing is dead. I think that is clear by now?

            I guess this is your personal opinion and by no means any consensus.

            How often do you need to refresh your browser in Jitsi to make it work again? How often can you not hear at least one participant (and they are not muted!). How often does screen sharing not work in Jitsi?

            None of this happend to any video conference I had with Jitsi. I only experienced one broken session where everything was fine after a reconnect, but I think that would’ve been preventable by setting up my own dedicated Jitsi instance.

            If after all these years it still barely works with 5 users, makes your CPU fan spin to maximum speed all the time, it is time to give up on it and move on. Not everything is a nail. Put down the JavaScript hammer.

            This is again just your exaggerated opinion.

            In fact, I tried Zoom, Bluejeans, BBB and Jitsi. Jitsi was the only one with bearable latency, and having low latency is pretty important for a good video conversation.

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              Yes, I am frustrated with the current state of pretty much anything. So, I’m just gonna drop this here: https://tonsky.me/blog/disenchantment/

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                I think this article is worthy of a separate submission.

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              Jitsi (and BigBlueButton) work perfectly for me whereas Teams doesn’t work properly, so I have no idea how representative either of our experiences are, but they couldn’t be more different. I only used Zoom like 3 times and yes, it worked.

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            Disclaimer: I have only used Jami, for a short time, back when it was called Ring.

            The linked site does not inspire confidence about the quality of the software:

            • There’s a large fixed nav that takes up a significant portion of vertical screen real estate (a lack of UX concern on the web might translate to using the app, too),
            • a picture that’s been grown from its original size, leading to some weird compression artifacts (is the application going to be flexible enough to support everyone’s hardware, if the website hasn’t done enough to throw a multi-size <picture> element in there?),
            • and a seemingly-infinite load icon replaces the favicon for the site (until I press the ‘stop’ button in my browser.)

            I also get a bad vibe from the social media share buttons, but it’s hard to qualify in words. I understand that there are probably separate teams on the browser and on the application, but the website is really screaming ‘just another corporate tool’ at me, with little regard for the average user’s .

            I wish the project luck, though. Centralised communication platforms are my major gripe with the current state of internet communications. I am really hoping we can get something that can feasibly replace Discord, with a lighter (native?) client and less trust in the servers.