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    What exactly makes the fun surprise fun for the HN folks? The 42s average is for all 44,890 visits. Even if all 850 of the commenters read the article for a full 10 minutes, that’s still 44,040 people who neither read the whole article nor made a comment.

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      “And that, kids, is why we don’t use averages.”

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        What would’ve been really interesting is to know the distribution of how long people spent on the page. My hypothesis is that it’s a bimodal distribution, where most people spend a few seconds just scrolling through stuff, and a few people spend a few minutes and read most or all of the article.

        I might try to dig up some stats from matomo from a similar “hacker news famous for a day” experience, but it sounds like a lot of work…

        EDIT: I dug it up: https://s.mort.coffee/d/img/scr-2019-10-14T17:24:04.png

        That’s a lot flatter than I expected. Apparently it’s a lot more common than I expected to click on the link, read it for a couple of minutes, but then get bored and leave. Though I wish it was possible to make it show divisions with fixed increments (i.e how many were there for 0-1m, how many for 1-2m, 2-3m, etc).

        The HN post (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16234213, 156 comments) is responsible for ~9500 of the visitors, with Reddit (https://old.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7syz0y/, 99 comments) ~3000, and then it quickly drops off from there (twitter is ~1000, lobste.rs ~270, etc). Even assuming each of those 156+99=255 comments comes from different people, it’s possible that every comment is from someone who spent over 15 seconds on the page, even though the average visit was around 40s.

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          Yeah, from the very little experience I have looking at this kind of stuff, I’d probably expect it to be somewhere between that and a fairly flat y=1/x. I don’t know if bounces are included in this figure either, or what’s counted as a bounce (I’ve never used Piwik).

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            A bounce, from what I understand, is when someone enters the website but leaves without navigating to other pages. For blogs that’s kind of what you expect people to do - click the link, read the article, go back to wherever they found the link. Matomo claims I had a 18500 visits and a 91% bounce rate, so it doesn’t seem to count visitors who bounced any differently from people who didn’t.

            I don’t know if Wordpress counts stats differently though.

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              Ah, yeah, you’re right. I was thinking the kind of visits that don’t scroll or stay for any length of time.

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          I think that was a little exaggerated but I’m still kinda surprised

          • the amount of users from HN
          • the “click and close”. When I click on links here or on HN I usually read them, or at least skim them to see if they’re interesting. Just so not my usage pattern that I found it interesting, but maybe it’s common?
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            It’s got a fairly clickbaity title. I can imagine people opening it, seeing it’s about macOS, and immediately leaving.

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          I had a brief scan through the comments when this was on HN and I wasn’t satisfied with any of the excuses of not using Linux. Everything mentioned was way less of a problem than the things outlined in this blog post.

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            The guy is a professional Mac developer. Isn’t that a good enough reason to stay on MacOS?

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              Yeah that’s a good reason. That’s why I have macOS, Windows, and Linux computers as well.

              Of the three, Linux gives me the least overall amount of sysadmin chores to do.

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              I am on Mac for work (Linux at home). Once you install all of the GNU utils, it acts a lot like a locked down linux machine would.

              But I find that using the same OS as your coworkers relieves stress when things when a program does not work. If I am on Mac and Cicso web meetings crashes, it is the software’s fault. If I am on Linux and it breaks, in the eyes of my employer it is my fault for being the one guy in the office using Linux.

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                This is also a good reason, although depending on your job you might not need to do this. At my last job, the fact that I ran NixOS while everyone else was on macOS made it possible to run the code locally and make improvements to the build system while others had to ssh to dev environments and were not in a good position to fearlessly fiddle with their environment, and thus not the build system either.

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              Suggest rant too.

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                I suggested the IMO more important update - changing the title to clarify what the author thinks is broken.

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                  Thank you for suggesting a story title that adds necessary context. Someone else did as well, and I synthesized both suggestions in to a story title that describes the subject of the article.

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                  Makes sense. I can’t edit the post anymore, so maybe one of the mods could do it if they see this.

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                    It’s already been suggested by users.