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    To give credit to zoom, they have already reacted and have replaced the Facebook SDK by a web based login: https://blog.zoom.us/wordpress/2020/03/27/zoom-use-of-facebook-sdk-in-ios-client/

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      There’s (for once) some decent discussion over at the orange site.

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        Yeah, because this stuff belongs on the orange site. Keep Lobsters weird.

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        Today I’ve spent installing Jitsi on a new VPS in a datacenter nearby, run by a small company I trust more than any corporation from Silicon Valley. Just had the first multi-hour conversation with a close relative and while the video had some dips now and then, the audio was good 99% of the time. I’m quite happy that this traffic isn’t available for analysis by Facebook, Google or Amazon. It was quite easy to setup and I can recommend anyone interested to check it out: https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet

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          I can recommend Talky as a trustworthy zero-setup WebRTC video chat solution, for those who don’t want to put the effort into hosting their own. QoS has always been fine for me. Here’s their privacy policy – it’s pretty straightforward.

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            I’ve been using Nextcloud Talk for the same reason and purpose for a while now. If you happen to have a Nextcloud server around this option is worth a try, it works wonders for us here to keep in contact with out spread-out family in these times of isolation and quarantine. I first installed it last year after my father died so I could make daily video calls with my mother - I live in Sweden, she lives in the Netherlands - without having to feed Suckerberg, Apple, Google or Microsoft in the process. Once SARS2 hit the use has been expanded to my wife’s mother and brother and some others.

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              Would you say it’s a reasonable approach for hosting business meetings?

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                I’ve been using the hosted version at https://meet.jit.si with a group of four to six people for two years now, and apart from last summer it really is good enough. You can easily give it try it before deciding on setting up your own instance.

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                  I wouldn’t self host jitsi for business, I’d use meet.jitsi. The killer feature over at meet.jitsi is the SIP integration they’ve setup in a large number of countries. When your mic just isn’t being picked up today, you always have the dial-in.

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                  I’m quite happy that this traffic isn’t available for analysis by Facebook, Google or Amazon

                  It’s not like they’re sending all their data to Facebook; what is probably going on is that they’re just using a Facebook API, by the sound of it for Facebook logins.

                  What is most certainly not going on is sending all your data to Facebook “for analysis”. I’m not saying that makes it fine or that it’s great, but there is a nuance to these things, and I find it disappointing that whenever these kind of topics come up, the nuance goes out the window at the speed of light pretty much every single time :-/

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                    It’s not like they’re sending all their data to Facebook; what is probably going on is that they’re just using a Facebook API, by the sound of it for Facebook logins.

                    Of course, and re-reading my comment one could easily conclude that, sorry for being sloppy. That said, I’d argue this is not so much about the actual content of a conversation as much as about the fact that I’m talking to a close relative, at that moment in time, for a certain period. It is just one data sample that in itself is insignificant, but combined with all the other small data points gives a quite accurate view of what keeps me busy and who’s around me. So I still stand by my comment but please interpret “this traffic” as “the meta-data” ;)

                    As a side-note, https://meet.jit.si does forward all traffic through Amazon.

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                    Did anyone try to use jitsi with LDAP ? Because I could only find sprase information or unresolved threads and failed to do so. The idea is to limit the creation of rooms to LDAP authenticated users, otherwise this is a possible DDoS problem.

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                    They shipped an update yesterday that removes he SDK.