1. -6
  1.  

  2. 6

    Quote from the article (the 2 words in [] added by me since they seemed like a clerical error in the original):

    ‘the most common form of harassment reported is gender harassment, which can be something as [simple as] saying that “women don’t make good supervisors.”’

    That claim really does sound like gender harassment to me. You can’t make a claim that simplistic without an overwhelming amount of proof to back it up. Without that kind of proof you aren’t engaging in science at all but rather just trying to espouse your bigoted views.

    1. 5

      It’s becoming increasingly difficult for me to determine who’s right and who’s just a whiner.

      1. 2

        Orig. Comment: I mean, I totally agree. This article perfectly lays out why I don’t hire women at my company. They can’t be trusted.

        Edit: I don’t know how to constructively debate the huge number of logical fallacies in this god-awful article. This whole thing is pretty anti-woman and I’m surprised to see it here on Lobsters.

        1. 2

          Why not start by naming the specific logical fallacies you see in the article? I posted this on lobsters partially because I think this community has some of the same dynamics that Stuart Reges talks about at his educational institution - namely, that a lot of people view discussion of systematic gender differences that seem to actually exist and be relevant to the number of women working in computer-technology-related fields as by definition anti-woman, and try to use legal and cultural tools designed to fight sexism to turn that kind of discussion into heresy that doesn’t need to be argued against and can be legitimately punished.

          1. 2

            Why you don’t start by mentioning some of these systematic gender differences that are not actually just the product of historic systematic gender discrimination? When people mention these difference, they tend to be either misunderstanding how humans an human society works, or plain BS. And the thing about BS is that it’s an order of magnitude harder to disprove it than it is to come up with, so it’s kind of unfair for you to bring up BS and ask the people disagreeing with you to prove you wrong. It’s your claim, and by the way, it’s a claim that’s contrary to mainstream science. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and neither the Damore memo or this article present anything even in the same continent of extraordinary.

            On a slightly unrelated note, the author seems to be puzzled by the fact that suggesting that a class of people is innately inferior creates a hostile environment for people of said class. What I am puzzled by is how can he find this surprising at all.

            1. 1

              And the thing about BS is that it’s an order of magnitude harder to disprove it than it is to come up with, so it’s kind of unfair for you to bring up BS and ask the people disagreeing with you to prove you wrong.

              This article goes into more detail about systematic differences between men and women that seem to exist in the psychological literature and replicate.

              On a slightly unrelated note, the author seems to be puzzled by the fact that suggesting that a class of people is innately inferior creates a hostile environment for people of said class.

              I think it’s a falsehood to describe what Stuart Reges as a statement that women are innately inferior, just as I think it’s a falsehood to describe what James Damore said as a statement that women are innately inferior. All of their claims were about group averages rather than a blanket statement about every single woman or man. In fact, I think their political opponents are incentivized to use phrasing like “suggesting that a class of people is innately inferior” precisely so that they then claim that their speech counts as creating a “hostile environment” - which is a legal definition that requires institutions to take some kind of action against the people accused of creating a hostile environment.