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    Hasta la Vista Gmail email metaredux.com
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    Ancient UI? I’m actually incredibly impressed by the Fastmail web UI. It’s one of the fastest large web applications I can think of.

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      I’m a bit miffed by that too. It feels way more polished and accessible than Gmails UI. Particularly if I want to modify any settings. I dread using Gmail’s settings UI

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        I never meant to say that the UI is hard to use - just that it doesn’t look in line with the modern design principles employed by most websites/mobile apps. I agree that the configuration is much simpler than Gmail’s. As I said above - I think that the user experience (UX) is good, but they can throw a fresh coat of paint on the UI and flatten it a bit (what ProtonMail 4 recently did).

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          I can only speak from my own perspective, but I sincerely hope they don’t do anything that you suggested (“fresh coat of paint” and “flatten it a bit”). In my opinion, “modern design” != “best design”. I love the way the Fastmail web UI looks and hope they don’t change it just for the sake of change. It looks and works great as it is.

          (That said, I think the rest of your article was great!)

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        It does feel dated in the age of mostly flat UIs, at least to me. I guess that’s subjective, but I certainly liked the UI of the Gmail, HEY and ProtonMail 4 more. The UX is good, though, I just think that Fastmail could use a fresh coat of paint.

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          I’ve been a happy FastMail customer for years, but I never use the webmail UI, except when editing server side settings. IMAP lets me use my mail program of choice and work offline.

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            Fastmail’s web UI is the #1 reason I’m currently using Fastmail. I love it. The app on the other hand… often the app is loading, I click on the “calendar” button, then the “archive” button pops up under my finger, causing an unknown email to be archived :-/

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            Does the author realize that „hasta la vista“ doesn’t mean „bye“ but literally „until we see each other again“? Not a strong goodbye after all.

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              Por supuesto! :-) But he’s also a big fan of The Terminator. :-)

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              It’s half the price of HEY

              I want to like HEY but as far as I can tell it doesn’t support IMAP, so that kinda kills it for me.

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                Yeah, that’s a bummer indeed.

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                Friends of mine switched to posteo which is apparently even cheaper. Can’t really say anything about the features apart from it has caldav, IMAP etc.

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                  Looks like a nice service, pretty similar to Fastmail and mailbox.org. Thanks for mentioning it!

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                  Gmail email size is silly today.

                  Their 25MB per email limit is so 1999 …

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                    I liked ProtonMail a lot…but because of the end to end encryption they use, you’re stuck with their clients or a clunky IMAP bridge.

                    I feel you there, but it’s also worth pointing out that their clients (web and mobile - I’m on Android) and the IMAP bridge have improved by leaps and bounds over the last few months. There are some things like keyboard navigation that still aren’t quite as smooth, but it’s a pretty good replacement for Gmail at this point. The bridge had a bunch of reliability issues but they fixed them (on Linux at least) and now it’s just there in the background and I haven’t had to think about it.

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                      looks like an advertisement for fastmail

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                        Well, I like the service. :-) I’m not affiliated with the company in any way, but I felt like sharing my positive experience with them.

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                          you give an affiliation link at the end of your post. that’s look like a kind of retribution

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                            Fair point. It didn’t cross my mind that someone might interpret it like this, because I definitely don’t care about 0.50$/month, but I guess I was mistaken. I’ve removed the link.

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                              For every user you refer to Fastmail via your special link, you receive free credit on your account, and they receive a 10% discount for a whole year!

                              looks like a lot more than $0.50/month when you multiply by user

                              source:

                              https://www.fastmail.com/help/account/referrals.html

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                                Still, I don’t think anyone ever got rich from Fastmail referrals. :-) (so far I’ve referred a grand total of 0 people there) My point was really to offer some small savings to people interested in Fastmail, nothing more.

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                        Why favour top posting over inline responses?

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                          Because that’s how email works in the world outside of free software mailing lists.

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                            True. Probably because it’s easier to compose an email using top posting. But when I send inline responses to my non-tech friends and colleagues who have been using Outlook and top posting their whole life, they usually appreciate it.

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                            It was just a reference to how HEY works - there’s only top posting there, presumably because it makes it easier to follow an email thread. At first I was annoyed by this, but now I kind of like it.

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                              Why does it make it easier to follow an email thread? Surely it is easier to follow a discussion if answers come after questions, reactions after statements.

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                                It’s really a UX problem. It’s really easy to mess up the formatting such that your inline replies are interpreted as part of the quoted text itself, and will appear collapsed by default to the recipient. So I never reply inline, because I want to make sure my full message is seen.

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                                  It really depends on the message, though, right? We can’t operate with the assumptions that every email is just a list of questions that needs answers. Plus, even when you’re top posting you can copy bits from the original message to embed them in your answer and provide an additional context for me. For me the main point is that by sticking to top posting you make it very clear in which order a conversation unfolded. Just like with old-school paper letters.

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                                    For me the main point is that by sticking to top posting you make it very clear in which order a conversation unfolded.

                                    Threads do that better. It is also more manageable than different people coming up with ad-hoc quoting methods for top-posting (often using different colours, fonts, etc and saying things like “responses inline in green below”). Trying to sort through a conversation like that is much more difficult than it needs to be.

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                              When I switched to a IMAP/SMTP provider I was seriously surprised how great and fast it worked!

                              As you said, no prioritizing bullshit. I need to read all mails anyway. Hundreds of clients to choose from. And even a form of instant push notifications works on mobile.

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                                Does namecheap offer email with the domain? Have you considered using that or moving to a registrar that does offer email with domain registration? If so, why have you decided against that? I ask this because I have some domains at Gandi and are considering moving my gmail over to one of those, but so far I’ve seen everyone going for Fastmail/Protonmail or self hosting and none use their registrar, so I’m wondering whether I’m overlooking something

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                                  Namecheap offer email, but that’s something you have to pay for additionally https://www.namecheap.com/hosting/email/ I guess most hosting companies are good option for email (especially if you mostly use an external client for it), but I prefer the companies who specialize in email, as they typically provide a better service.

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                                    The benefit of having an email address on your own domain is that you can switch to another hosted email provider relatively easily.

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                                      Indeed.

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                                  Bozhidar, why do you care about web-ui at all? Why are you not using gnus, notmuch, mu4e, whatever…? Don’t you know, whenever a prominent Emacs hacker does something outside of Emacs (e.g., stares at email in web-ui), a baby comes to life with a speech defect and later starts hating all Lisp programmers, because, unlike the kid, they are not lispers at all.

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                                    I have to admit I stopped using Emacs as an email client at least 10 years ago. :D