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The way I’m used to reading lobsters is to go to /newest. After visiting /newest, and checking the ones I haven’t read yet, I read the comments. I read the comments for the stories I care about, and ignore comments from stories I don’t. I can get a similar experience by just reading the email, but I rarely interact with stories when I read them on email, so I strongly prefer using the website.

My guess would be that for power-users of lobsters, this is a common workflow. Lobsters is still low enough throughput that you can see all of the content, and I’m involved enough that I’d like to try to personally help with avoiding eternal September. /newest is easy to reason about, since I know I just need to look at posts until I see one that I recognize. /recent makes that harder, since it’s harder to reason about, and it seems like posts that are too popular get removed from /recent if I check it infrequently.

So.

Old workflow to read every post and every comment: /newest (until I see a post I’ve read), /comments (until I see a comment I’ve read)

New workflow to read every post and every comment: /recent (the entire page), /home (the entire page), /comments (until I see a comment I’ve read)

I know I can still navigate to /newest by just going to the url, and that there aren’t plans to remove it, but I think it would be nice to return /newest to the front page. It enables power users to work more effectively, and I think that doing that is good for lobsters.

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    I’m a “power user” and was a frequent contributor to Hacker News, and I never read all of /newest on either site.

    If I’m away from my computer for a day and don’t see stories as they come in, I usually just skim the mailing list for interesting discussions and mark everything else read. When I get time later, I’ll browse /recent and usually there are links at the bottom half of the page that I never noticed, so I read them and sometimes upvote them. That interaction was the whole point of /recent; that /newest moves too fast and will just get worse as the site grows. (Right now, Hacker News has 860 links posted in the past 24 hours. That’s 28 pages of /newest.) Showing a randomized list of “here’s what you missed recently” on Lobsters might help stories gain traction to still make it to the front page.

    So if you’re arguing for reinstating /newest for everyone because you think it’s better for the site as a whole, I would have to disagree. If you just want the /newest link back in place of /recent for yourself, I guess some knob could be added to the settings but it really sounds like something a client-side browser script could take care of (or just bookmark https://lobste.rs/newest as your entry-point to Lobsters instead of the home page, do your paginating, then click over to /comments).

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      Is there an explanation of /recent somewhere? I don’t see it on https://lobste.rs/about. (Yeah, I know, use the source, Luke ;)

      In particular, how is /recent different from the front page?

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          So, “recent” is kind of a misnomer, then? It’s more like “underrated”, or “possibly underrated”.

          That’s good to know for workflow purposes:

          • To see if some interesting story got missed by others. check /recent daily or so. But be aware that you may miss some stories this way (if they get voted up quickly, for example, or if the submission volume is high and a story falls into the “random” zone).

          • To see every story that goes by (some days are like that!), skip directly to /newest and skim down through the new stories, stopping at the first one you have already seen.

          • To see only recommended stories and a few very recent stories (some days are like that, too), stay on the home page.

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        The switch has caused issues for the weekly “What are you working on thread”. Each week it usually gets about 20 comments. This week, since it didn’t show up on the front page immediately, only five people commented.

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          If that were the case, shouldn’t it be getting a bunch of comments now since it’s been on the front page for a while?

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            Perhaps it was the change in visibility. Or perhaps there’s a loss in interest. Hard to make a causal relationship without a control.