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    Their actual evaluation (including Pagure, Gitea, and Sourcehut) is here.

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      There was an interesting thread about the ethical forge criteria relative to Sourcehut the service, as opposed to Sourcehut the software, about a month ago.

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        I’m having a hard time seeing what an FSF-hosted sourcehut would bring to the table after they’ve lost so much credibility recently with their tone-deafness and pedantry: https://drewdevault.com/2019/09/17/The-wrong-words-but-the-right-ideas.html

        I guess having more people using the software is a good way to help find problems with it and improve it, but why would a new project choose to be hosted under the FSF which has no full-time staff to maintain the installation vs sourcehut which does?

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          Well the FSF almost certainly won’t charge you at all, where sourcehut might. Sourcehut/Drew has said, if you can’t afford it, to poke at him and he likely will give you service for free, but that’s not a sure thing. This is especially true of organization entities on sourcehut, where pricing is still unknown. The FSF will host you for no monetary cost, regardless of your ability to pay.

          Note, I’m not suggesting they should use sourcehut as their new forge, I’m just answering my perspective to your question.

          I’m not sure they have lost so much, as you say. When has the FSF ever been known to compromise their belief(s)? (I can’t remember a single instance, but I’m not an expert in all things FSF). They have always been die-hard in terms of their perspective and have always been willing to die on the hill for their belief(s)/perspective. Again, this is my perspective, but I think their past history pretty much agrees with my perspective.

          I don’t agree with all of their[fsf] perspectives, but I am glad they exist and do push the conversation and open source as a whole towards more “freedom” (again, sidestepping on purpose here, how freedom is defined, as they have a very distinctive definition that not everyone agrees with).

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            Yeah, credibility is the wrong word here, but I do feel like the general perception of the FSF is that they’re completely ineffectual at achieving their goals. They are tone-deaf towards people who don’t already agree with them, and they provide a haven for abusers and toxic personalities among those who do want to work with them.

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              I don’t disagree with you, but in my experience that’s always been the case, it’s not a new or recent development. Richard Stallman has always been known as being very stubborn in his ideology, so it goes back to their founding.

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        At least they aren’t going to go build yet another project, and are going to contribute to one of the existing ones.

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          This particular problem space seems rather saturated at this point. There is something for everybody, with engineering tradeoffs such that you lose more than you gain from using the existing FOSS systems. And that’s a good thing, now the next talent can go solve other problems.

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            This particular problem space seems rather saturated at this point.

            On one hand: Kind of. There are free GitHub-alikes, if you want (and are able) to host one. There are good tools.

            On the other hand, as the eval document mentions, there really don’t seem to be very satisfying and broadly usable federated / distributed options. Assuming you don’t find the “Git is already a DVCS” or “use a mail-based workflow” answers to that problem satisfying, at any rate. It feels to me pretty likely that the ecosystem as a whole is going to be held hostage by GitHub’s near-monopoly service (with a handful of side options in play for those who can afford to miss out on the network effects) until something changes here.

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          I hope that if they choose a Github-like forge, that it’s one that plans to support federation, instead of requiring yet another account.

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            What’s a good federation network for free/libre software?

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              Mozilla made a great start with Persona, but sadly they announced its death before I heard about the project. It’s gone now. I’m still silently hoping for a reboot though..

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                Yeah. Sadly OpenID didn’t take off either - or rather, FB/Google/Twitter stepped in as alternatives.