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    OK, kidding aside… this would actually be an interesting legal theory to test. What if an algorithm could, given an input file, recreate most of the song by finding slices of public license music and creating a list of every single slice used? Better yet, use other copyrighted songs, creating it a nightmare for anyone trying to sue?

    I’m sure it’s a solved problem - after all media producing companies have been some of the most aggressive pushers of copyright lawfare - but I wonder what the standing on a case like that would look like.

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      Since in the USA case law is that sampling a single note is infringement, I doubt the legal theory would be as grey as with software.

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        Wow, is that true? I’m completely ignorant on the laws around music copyright infringement.

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          What about sampling a single sample? There are 65536 possible levels for each audio sample at CD quality there are more than 65536 songs out there. So any audio could be represented as a series of these samples with no change except attribution

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          BTW, music these days is mostly made out of fragments of other songs. Check out Amen Break or sample breakdowns like this: https://youtu.be/5AqHSvR9bqs https://youtu.be/AXXUodk-pVo

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            Dunno about “mostly”. There was a golden age of sampling in the late ‘80s (viz. “Paul’s Boutique” and most early Public Enemy / Bomb Squad stuff) but it was quashed when US copyright law started requiring licensing of any recognizable samples. Plus of course the origins of hip-hop lie in literally looping bits of records, but they could only get away it’s that in live performances.

            The Amen break (and Funky Drummer, Apache, etc) got sliced up in the early 90s into individual drum hits, and then re-sequenced — that’s where jungle and other breakbeat styles came out of. At that point you can’t really say it’s fragments of songs, so much as a sample library like a piano plugin where the individual notes are samples but the composition is original.

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              It makes an interesting parallel to Copilot. It is essentially sampling code and re-sequencing it, and sometimes uses bigger, recognizable fragments.

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          Sponsors: Warner Music Group, Universal Music Group, DARPA

          What the fuck ?

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            It is a joke, refers to GithHub copilot and its carelessness against licenses. If you look at the code, you will see that after some sleep time it will serve you back your original file :D

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              I’ve assumed that there was a real NN behind this satire until I’ve read this thread. I think that the problem here is that the website miscommunicates its purpose.

              Also I couldn’t find any direct reference to the source code, and a quick search on DuckDuckGo and GitHub doesn’t show up anything.

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                Is there the source code for Copilot available somewhere? I doubt it, but wondering would it change anything if it were.

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                  Control-U on the webpage

                  I think sometimes we forget that websites are code too

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                  Lame. At least actually train a NN.

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                    If you receive copyrighted material and process it, in addition to costs associated to and computational power, how much would you risk in legal terms?

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                      Copyrighted material must be processed in order to play it, by the very nature of how computers work the material must be copied in part or in full a number of times during processing - there is actual exemption in copyright law to allow for this otherwise the very act of playing back material would be illegal by the letter of the law.

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                      Q: What would the NN actually do? You want just enough learning/wiggle room for it to be controversial like Microsoft Copilot, methinks. Perhaps a NN that generates a song inspired by the input song, with a slider for how similar you want the song to be.

                      Then you could break it down by degree - at what point is the song “the same song with a note or two different”, vs “a different song that shares most of the notes”?