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    I will guess this was posted in response to systemd now killing processes like tmux by default.

    But the init system isn’t something that most users will notice – apart from the boot time.

    Ah, but see, now users are noticing.

    As for the rest, I have expressed criticism that breaking nohup is a poor decision, but I don’t think I called it womanly or whatever, so I’m not sure how relevant it is.

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      Looks like it’s from April 2015, so not a new article.

      What’s too bad about this post is that it’s about two separate things: systemd and people who act like horrible human beings to others. I’m not sure if the author intended it, but this post makes it seem like if you don’t like systemd, you act like a horrible person to others, and that is really quite rude.

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        Have you not noticed how everyone who expressed concern about systemd was treated during the adoption period? Hell, it’s still happening in places like r/linux. There was a time when just mentioning you use something other than systemd on #archlinux would result in extremely agressive questioning and, in the end, accusations of being regressive, a whiny child, personally responsible for holding back progress etc. I’ve personally been called so many things by people who have an unhealthy emotional investment in systemd… and when you get angry and retaliate, they point to that and say “See? He’s an angry child! Disregard his opinion!”

        I’m not saying it’s all people who like systemd that are like that. It’s just that there actually was a pretty loud minority of assholes who kept (and in some places, still do) shouting down the opposition using very dirty tricks that are, unfortunately, not obvious to the casual observer.

        My point is, calling people who dislike systemd incompetent and/or straight-up bad people is nothing new.

        Interestingly, #systemd on freenode never shouted at me for asking questions. Even when I was upset. So it’s probably just herd mentality that went much too far.

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      For some reason the men in the Linux community who hate women the most seem to have taken a dislike to systemd.

      That one kinda stopped me in my tracks.

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          I may not know the whole story; i know that the field has a seriously bad reputation with regards to how women are treated but the association in this case, to me, felt gratuitous. Also it’s not specific who’s targeted. Makes it hard to verify. Then again the article was specifically about “anti-<something> people” which is a slippery slope to begin with. Would not buy from this seller again.

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        tl;dr:

        assholes

        the men in the Linux community who hate women

        not wanting changes to inequality in society

        misogynistic and homophobic abuse

        gender and sexuality related abuse

        unimportant people

        being abusive and threatening people

        awful people

        evil person

        evil people

        homophobic and sexist abuse

        Abusing volunteers

        Abusing people

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          In a world filled with reasonable people who aren’t assholes there wouldn’t be any more reaction to this than there has been to decisions such as which desktop environment should be the default

          Oh come on. That is extremely dishonest. Do I need to explain that comparing a high-level interface you can easily swap out to a low-level toolset a lot of things depend on (by design of said toolset) is completely idiotic? Systemd brings with it a runtime dependency on it that is required to “properly utilize it”, it has things you literally cannot disable (journald, for one) even if you don’t need them and the systemd upstream is very much willing to break conventions — and that they do often enough for people to notice.

          It is very decidedly not as trivial as a default DE.

          But the init system isn’t something that most users will notice – apart from the boot time.

          Yet somehow they do. How come?

          For some reason the men in the Linux community who hate women the most seem to have taken a dislike to systemd. I understand that being “conservative” might mean not wanting changes to software as well as not wanting changes to inequality in society but even so this surprised me.

          Oooooh, it’s one of those posts. This guy is seriously trying to say that the ones who dislike sudden changes in their systems that they can’t see a good reason for are the same people who don’t want social progress. And, in turn, are obviously misogynists. How can anyone take this guy’s words even remotely serious after this?

          While the issue of which init system to use by default in Debian was being discussed we had a lot of hostility from unimportant people who for some reason thought that they might get their way by being abusive and threatening people.

          There was no hostility from people actively pushing systemd and calling the opposition all kinds of words. None. Gotcha.

          MikeeUSA is an evil person who hates systemd [6]. This isn’t any sort of evidence that systemd is great (I’m sure that evil people make reasonable choices about software on occasion). But it is a significant factor in support for non-systemd variants of Debian (and other Linux distributions). Decent people don’t want to be associated with people like MikeeUSA, the fact that the anti-systemd people seem happy to associate with him isn’t going to help their cause.

          Bad person agrees with X. So no good person agrees with X, otherwise they are not a good person. That’s literaly the definition of guilt by association, the author isn’t even trying to hide it.

          Sending homophobic and sexist abuse is going to make you as popular as the GamerGate and GodHatesAmerica.com people.

          Being grouped with GG to me personally is a compliment. I read r/KiA sometimes and those guys are doing some seriously good work on tracking unethical shit in gaming journalism and journalism in general. If anyone actually bothered to read that sub, most of the people there are nice and cheery shitlords, not some cave-dwelling monsters the media makes them out to be. A lot are actually women. There are even some trans folk in there.

          Conclusion: The entire post is almost literally just an attempt to associate disliking a piece of code to being a bad person. That is extremely dishonest and, frankly, disgusting.

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            Being grouped with GG to me personally is a compliment. I read r/KiA sometimes and those guys are doing some seriously good work on tracking unethical shit in gaming journalism and journalism in general.

            Really? Since it’s somewhat a professional requirement that I follow the game scene, I have had the unfortunate opportunity to run into the gamergate crowd in a number of cases, and it always seemed to have quite specific goals which are not actually about “ethics in videogame journalism”, at least in any sense a normal person would understand journalistic ethics. They remind me more of the Republicans who dig through grant proposals trying to find some “gotcha” thing that can be taken out of context to prove that The Taxpayer’s Money Is Being Wasted By A Vast Liberal Conspiracy. Even a conference I’ve attended on and off, DiGRA, is seen by the gamergate crowd as center of some huge conspiracy, when is kind of funny from the perspective of an academic, where it’s seen as just another medium-sized conference with no budget and pretty limited influence (most of us mainly publish in more prestigious venues in our home disciplines). There is also a weird obsession with doxxing people, which is a whole other can of worms.

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              Unfortunately, you can’t control who associates with an open movement. But seriously, read KiA a bit if you’re interested. As all big movements, it does go overboard with the conspiracy theories quite often, they don’t come across as horrible people. For example, doxxing and brigading are against the rules of the sub. And KiA being the widely accepted GG HQ, it should tell you something.

              And btw there is this infamous group called Ayyy Lmao who do a lot of nasty shit and then say GG did it. There are also gamerghazi, who admitted to brigading and false-flagging GG on numerous occasions. Next time you see something nasty done in the name of gamergate, look closely at the account(s) doing it. Not saying there aren’t horrible people in the movement, but my personal experience shows there is a lot of false flagging and not a lot of evidence that GG is some sort of organized harassment campaign.

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                My understanding of the history was that 8chan became the main GG hub, no? I thought they started mainly on 4chan, and moved to 8chan after moot banned a bunch of the gamergate discussions. I’ve heard of the subreddit also though, just didn’t think of it as the “main” location. But I admittedly haven’t dug into it much; I tend to run across it only on twitter.

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                  Chans are only good for short-term operations, people tend to group in more permanent locations. These days KiA is mostly known as the GG HQ. What you see on chans is in no small part the group I mentioned above: Ayyy Lmao. They are in it for the lulz and would fuck your shit up no matter which side you are on.

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            Oh for the love of god.

            First: if you’re going to call me a misogynist, do it for a reason that has anything to do with sexism. Disliking a piece of software (which is chiefly developed and championed by a dude) is not one of those reasons. Unlike most misogynists, I’m pretty open to being called on it when I’m (unintentionally) sexist; but you have to shoehorn at least some legitimate claim into it, which this article completely fails to do.

            Second: this sort of thing is counterproductive in the fight against sexism in tech. Calling out sexism is great, even necessary; calling out other things as sexism will just get your article used as ammunition by anti-anti-sexists to make some point about “overreaching SJWs” or whatever, and to be honest, it’s kind of justifiable. There’s zero justification in here about why disliking SystemD is sexist; just a link to a summary of the activities of a thoroughly despicable person, which is not a good route to start down.