Saw this in my feeds. I’m not looking for a job right now and it’s not in my field of expertise, but this sounds like an awesome development and I think this deserves all the publicity it can get. I could’ve posted one of the two PDFs about the project in the description, but thought the job posting might be more useful for anyone here who’s interested.
Is that really meant to be a competitive FTE salary? I know Europe in general and France in particular tend to be lower tech payscales… but is it that bad? That is less than you could make as a Starbucks barista here, and it’s not like Inria is in a low cost of living area, either.
It’s not at all competetive. It comes out to 32.3k/year gross. I live in central Europe and the lowest salary I’ve ever heard anybody with a master’s degree make in a tech job is 45k/year, and that was already bordering on a scam.
Yes and no. 2695 gross is the minimum, which I suppose they would pay for a fresh graduate with no experience. The upper end of the scale is not mentioned, but I expect it to be at least double that (so around 65-70k EUR per year). I admit that is still not much compared to the salaries possible in US tech hubs, but you have to consider that France’s social security and health care are vastly cheaper; (pre)school for your kids is free. And you get to live in an actual democracy!
you have to consider that France’s social security and health care are vastly cheaper; (pre)school for your kids is free. And you get to live in an actual democracy
Yeah, no doubt there are advantages… but it seems like it takes a lot of that to add up from a purely financial perspective to what might reasonably be expected to be a 5x or more multiplier on salary. Having ample disposable income goes a long way towards buying you all those things in the US, too, it’s the people who don’t that get screwed. But given immigration and visa restrictions anyway, it’s not like they’re really fungible for many people.
The upper end of the scale is not mentioned, but I expect it to be at least double that
Maybe just a cultural thing, but that would surprise me in the US. Typically if only a lower bound ls listed, it means there isn’t much room to go higher. If there were a much better number possible, they’d list it.
I guess my original question was more “Is this actually comparable in the same way? Is that commensurate to a good but basically entry level service worker job there, too? Or is the base payscale vastly different?” (I have no clue what the Paris metro area is like for jobs… but understand it’s not particularly cheap to live.) Personally, if I were going to make the same amount either way, I think I’d rather work the barista job and spend my free time on my own FOSS projects vs getting paid the same to do someone else’s.
Saw this in my feeds. I’m not looking for a job right now and it’s not in my field of expertise, but this sounds like an awesome development and I think this deserves all the publicity it can get. I could’ve posted one of the two PDFs about the project in the description, but thought the job posting might be more useful for anyone here who’s interested.
Also loving the name “Smolphone”.
Is that really meant to be a competitive FTE salary? I know Europe in general and France in particular tend to be lower tech payscales… but is it that bad? That is less than you could make as a Starbucks barista here, and it’s not like Inria is in a low cost of living area, either.
It’s not at all competetive. It comes out to 32.3k/year gross. I live in central Europe and the lowest salary I’ve ever heard anybody with a master’s degree make in a tech job is 45k/year, and that was already bordering on a scam.
Yes and no. 2695 gross is the minimum, which I suppose they would pay for a fresh graduate with no experience. The upper end of the scale is not mentioned, but I expect it to be at least double that (so around 65-70k EUR per year). I admit that is still not much compared to the salaries possible in US tech hubs, but you have to consider that France’s social security and health care are vastly cheaper; (pre)school for your kids is free. And you get to live in an actual democracy!
Yeah, no doubt there are advantages… but it seems like it takes a lot of that to add up from a purely financial perspective to what might reasonably be expected to be a 5x or more multiplier on salary. Having ample disposable income goes a long way towards buying you all those things in the US, too, it’s the people who don’t that get screwed. But given immigration and visa restrictions anyway, it’s not like they’re really fungible for many people.
Maybe just a cultural thing, but that would surprise me in the US. Typically if only a lower bound ls listed, it means there isn’t much room to go higher. If there were a much better number possible, they’d list it.
I guess my original question was more “Is this actually comparable in the same way? Is that commensurate to a good but basically entry level service worker job there, too? Or is the base payscale vastly different?” (I have no clue what the Paris metro area is like for jobs… but understand it’s not particularly cheap to live.) Personally, if I were going to make the same amount either way, I think I’d rather work the barista job and spend my free time on my own FOSS projects vs getting paid the same to do someone else’s.