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    I really wish people would stop referring to GNOME skins as “Operating Systems”. I understand that this is really pedantic, but it grates. Oh, how it grates.

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      I mean, there’s a continuum. Are Arch and Ubuntu the same operating system? Are Fedora and Red Hat the same operating system? How different do they need to be before they’re considered “different”?

      Pop! seems more different from Ubuntu than, say, CentOS is from RHEL, but I guarantee that RedHat and CentOS insist they’re “different but compatible” OSes. :)

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        Personally I segment the Linux ecosystem by package manager: apt, yum, pacman, portage, etc.

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          I mean, I’d say that Ubuntu is the same thing as Debian, and this is simply “Built On Ubuntu”.

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        What a terrible name for a developer focused OS. Also, the PR page doesn’t mention anything about what it does exactly that’s different.

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          Its still in beta, but it seems like they are going for the scientific linux approach which is providing a out of the box developer environment.

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            At this point it doesn’t sound like a developer focused env. It sounds like a fork of the latest Ubuntu release they has PR to try and target Systems 76’s preferred demographics. I don’t mean that as a negative thing, I think its a smart thing for them to do business wise, albeit a little vapid.

            I do have to take exception with part of what they say:

            … We’re technologists, and we felt Ubuntu drift. I agreed with the Canonical strategy of maintaining Unity 7 while developing Unity 8 separately. But time dragged on and we were stuck between waiting for our new product, which sounded constantly just around the corner, and investing in Unity 7 that was on its way out. There were no good decisions. Just hold the line. … In hindsight, we should have known [Ubuntu discontinuing Unity]. Like everyone, I wanted Ubuntu desktop to stand on its own economically. It’s only a matter of time before a company must align its investments with its paying customers, and that wasn’t the desktop for Canonical. But it is for System76.

            Its not that Canonical gave up on Desktop. Made the mistake of trying to be too ambitious, in a time when the ecosystem it existed in was going though a ton of changes in stops and fits.

            First lets go over what Canonical was building (Understand most of these things are going to be related)

            • Ubuntu Phone (and all of the related new stuff for that)
            • Better Arm Support
            • Ubuntu Core
            • Mir (Replacement for X11)
            • Unity 8 & Convergence
            • Snapd

            Which has be build in concert with with all of the changes in the Linux ecosystem over the last couple of years.

            Unity didn’t doesn’t spell the death for the Ubuntu Desktop, but the death of the Ubuntu Phone did mean the death of Unity 8.

            All that being said I think this could be an interesting idea for telemetry for Firmware level issues on their machines as well.

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            Dear marketing, no, you cannot have WhateverTF you characters you feel like in a name.

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            So it’s… An Ubuntu distribution? With all due respect to the OP, why should we care? Does this advance the state of the art in Linux desktops at all? It was very hard for me to understand what they’re actually selling based on the website.

            If they add handicapped accessibility features I will fly cross country and hug every single one of them, but I seriously doubt it.

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              This is all just makeup and PR stunt. All I see is another Linux distro with Gnome and flat icons and themes… How hard is it for developer to install wanted software or install Arch (or even other OS like BSDs or illumos ones)

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                This is potentially interesting, but I need more than a single screenshot before I’m going to bother doing a test install. Maybe this could be reposted when there’s something more to go on?

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                I must have missed where each new Linux distro started calling itself an operating system.

                In any case, a system like this isn’t for me.

                For the last few years my preference on my development machines is to do an absolutely bare minimum network install of Debian, and then bootstrap the rest of the installation myself, building several key components that are important to me (SBCL common lisp, Emacs, StumpWM) from source (via their Git repos), and using Apt to install the dependencies. Everything else I install when the need arises.

                I feel like the modern kitchen sink approach, taken by Ubuntu and the other big distros, is a real step backwards. A key advantage of Linux (IMHO) is that I can install what I want, configure it the way I want, and have complete control of it.

                On the other hand, it doesn’t hurt to have more options available.

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                  A developer focused Operating System

                  We already have that distro: Gentoo Linux.

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                    I’m so confused. I thought system76 was the company that sold me this laptop with a shitty battery - why are they getting into software?

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                      They didn’t make the laptop either - they basically sold you a Clevo gaming laptop, put some branding on it, and support that. No surprise a gamer or workstation dingus has shitty battery life, especially with the poor and generic chassis design that sacrifices battery room for expandability in other areas.

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                        It’s not just that it has bad battery life, it’s also that it goes down to 60-80% capacity after just a few months, and keeps getting worse. Their customer support will gladly sell a replacement for over $100, but won’t give the specs, so I had to open up the laptop to make sure I was ordering the right replacement (only available from China, and similar issues). Don’t get me wrong, I love most of the other specs and how well it runs Linux, but haven’t found a good solution for the battery.