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    I kinda like Spacemacs, as an acceptable way to get started into Emacs.

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      I kinda like the concept of these bundles, but the execution to me makes them overwhelming and bloated with stuff you don’t want. I find it easier to learn and adapt with smaller bits and adding the stuff I want. If they were more modular, I’d consider them.

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        Don’t confuse Spacemacs with monolithic bundles like Janus or Emacs Starter Kit v2. Spacemacs separates all of its configuration into “configuration layers” that can be enabled or disabled separately. It includes a bunch of configuration layers by default, such as live display of available keybindings, helm command autocomplete, and a fancy mode line, but the only layer that can’t be disabled is spacemacs-base.

        Spacemacs also keeps its modularity by encouraging you to put your own configuration in custom configuration layers, which can be disabled or have their plugins updated just like the built-in layers. If you think some of the included layers do too much, you could even disable them and replace them with custom layers you gradually build yourself.

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          I’m with you Calvin. I feel very strongly that each package you add to emacs should be something you choose, and moreover choose to configure.

          Base emacs is crazy powerful in its own right.

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        Those tags seem very flame-war inciting.

        I used to be a really heavy vim user, I used to use it for everything, from note taking in class, to a full IDE replacement. I started to do more and more things in vim, including trying to run a zsh shell from within it, but vimscript was not doing it for me.

        I decided to give emacs a shot. I started off with a base configuration and hated it. I also tried out Evil Mode, and I didn’t like it too. I didn’t feel like vim keybindings were that powerful, and decided to skip Evil Mode and fully immerse myself in emacs.

        Now I actually use Emacs-Prelude as my base emacs configuration, and I still have my own small snippets and minor modes that I can’t live without. I really did embrace the Emacs OS idea, and most of the time I have Emacs on one monitor, and Chrome/Slack/terminal on the other.

        To be fair, there are a few things that really annoy me with Emacs. If you accidentally run a command in an emacs buffer that will produce a lot of output, the output prints really slow and the whole process basically freezes. I wish there was a permanent fix for that, but oh well.

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          Emacs and Vim are both great editors for different reasons - the extensibility of Emacs and the speed of editing with vi. We need to unite against the real enemy: nano users. Those guys are proud to be stupid ;)

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            I thought you were going to suggest going after Sublime Text users instead :)

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            It’s a guy giving a talk about Emacs at a Vim meetup. I was watching the video waiting for him to be lynched ;)

            Evil Mode is a vim mode inside Emacs, so relevant to both.

            Round 1… FIGHT!