FOUR USB/thunderbolt ports??? That’s far too many. I’m outraged, I tell you, outraged.
You can still buy one with an escape key, the entry level model. But it has a slower CPU. In fact, even with the +$300 upgrade, it’s the same price as the touchbar model and still slower.
But the one with the escape key has only 2 USB/thunderbolt ports.
And has a bigger battery for some reason?
It’s not bigger. The 13" low end configuration has a 15W CPU, and the high end 13" configuration has a 28W CPU.
edit: Saw the link… it is bigger? That’s weird, and even with a lower wattage CPU and a bigger battery, it gets the same battery life. Wat.
Well, you know how the main use of the Escape key is to hit it whenever you see something that makes you go “Wat”?
If they leave the key on the lower-end model, all the watts will escape–hence the bigger battery.
And weirdly has BTO options for an i7, albeit a 2.4Ghz (3.4Ghz Turbo Boost) model, 16GiB RAM and 1TiB SSD. Not quite so “low end”, really.
Dual core i7, give me a quad with 16gb of ram and skylake in a 13" chassis for under 2 grand and I would consider it.
I think the price points are too high to be super competitive, the touchbar is gimmicky to me.
Indeed, 13" Macs with i7s have always been dual core. I’m guessing the loss in battery life and increase in heat made it not worthwhile going with the quad core parts.
Wtf, function over form? Is this actually an Apple product?
And any of the four ports can be used for charging? What madness is this?!
It’s interesting to see folks respond so positively to the Touch Bar after Lenovo was unanimously criticized for their Adaptive Keyboard. I think the difference is with Apple vertically integrating hardware, OS, common builtin apps, and having good relationship with 3rd party vendors, so the Touch Bar will have excellent support almost immediately.
I have yet to see a picture of Lenovo’s adaptive keyboard showing anything other than the standard volume up/down etc. keys. Apple at least has the good sense to showcase the touch bar displaying something that can’t be done with normal keys.
That critique is so unfair. He bemoans the lack of caps lock (which is replaced by home and end), and spends a pretty large portion whining about it. I think he is probably the only person in the world who misses them.
Honestly, I think the Lenovo Thinkpad layout shown is very sane, and is a developers laptop unlike the MBP.
Honestly, I am pretty neutral about the F keys being replaced. It doesn’t help me (although Lenovo can’t take advantage of it in the way Apple can, because lenovo doesn’t control all the software).
It’s all the o they changed that made me go “nope”.
Did you ever use the Gen2 X1’s “adaptive keyboard”? It was atrocious. Insanely slow response time, hit targets of 1x1 pixel, and basically never being in the right context ever.
At least from what I saw in Apple’s demo today and the early reports, it looks like Apple has figured out this scenario considerably better.
Both seem to a sad step down from the Lebedev designs of 2007/2011.
It’s so sad to see that keyboards these days are considered a cost center, where saving a few cents is more important than user experience .
They took away the MagSafe. They took away our audio jack. There’s no ESCape.
There’s still an audio jack, fwiw. MagSafe is a big loss, though – going back to destroyable power cables is going to be hard.
It’s actually a standard though - one charger (presuming its big enough) for your phones, tablets, laptops, maybe even other stuff.
(Hopefully Apple abandons Lightning real soon now.)
There’s still an audio jack, fwiw.
Yeah (thankfully), though I was referring to the iPhone 7.
Also, anyone else astonished and puzzled that they made a TouchBar instead of a TouchPad? Seems like a huge mistake and a potential opening for Microsoft/Google/Dell.
This is probably just the first stage. I image most lay users are more familiar with the media elements of the previous function keys (adjust brigthness, volume, etc), and treating that row like a second menu bar (again mac uses are familiar with this concept) seems like a reasonable start.
I imagine if users are accepting of this functionality (they may reject it, who knows), Apple would likely have plans for additional uses. If it doesn’t end up being well accepted (read: purchased) by users, I imagine it would be straightforward to reverse course back to function keys without having to change lots of industrial design, manufacturing, and retooling. I imagine Apple has some plans and/or prototypes for this contingency too.
I’m not currently sold on the TouchBar personally (haven’t tried it yet, but as a vim user, I would certainly miss the escape key), but I imagine time will tell. I could always remap escape to caps-lock.
Wouldn’t surprise me if they introduce a MagSafe-like connector with the next version of this form factor (there are Lightning cables like that, with a MagSafe-like breakaway connector).
The price of a maxed out 15" BTO is certainly eye watering - in the UK it’s just over £4,000. Yikes. And still only 16GiB RAM :(
I do wish they’d introduce a tapered body Pro - that’s one thing I really miss from my Air (well, that and the lightness although the newer Pros do address that to an extent).
The lack of a 32gb option is pretty unfortunate.
We can thank Brexit (and it’s effect on Sterling) for that price jump.
What is everybody doing with 32GB+ of RAM anyways? I have a home PC with 4GB, and I feel like I ought to upgrade it just to keep up with newer things, but I haven’t gotten around to it yet because it already does everything fine. The only time I have felt like it could use more RAM is when trying to run virtual machines, which I almost never do on it anyways.
I always have at least one VM open. Plus tons to browser tabs eat a lot of ram
Two tabs open to Twitter at the same time.
I’m being slightly facetious; I don’t think I’ve ever seen twitter.com use more than 1G or so. The Slack website is also quite bad about memory usage. A few of these things add up…
I’m just happy they’re offering a model without the Touch Bar. I think the more interesting thing is what people are going to do with it, like this: https://twitter.com/dchest/status/791711151998570500
Silly Apple, the touch screen goes on the display, not the keyboard!
I actually think that putting the mutable input device into the keyboard is the Right Thing To Do with a laptop. DOWN WITH GORILLA ARM!
Honestly that’s not a bad reason to forgo the touch surface on the laptop, I’m probably just having bad flashbacks to when laptop touch controls made me die inside…
I’m surprised they chose the keyboard instead of the trackpad. Think this could be turned into a multi-million dollar mistake if Microsoft/Google/Dell does it instead.
Trackpad is usually obscured by your hands, though, so it’s less useful as a status indicator. The Nintendo DS made two screens work because the usual controls were on the sides, leaving the bottom screen always visible.
I think the fact that you can use two hands for two independent degrees of freedom is the killer feature here. You can’t do this with a trackpad so well.
I wonder if the new screen is any less reflective. I still want matte screens to make a comeback!
Still no quad-core 13'‘ model :(. I know that the available quad-core CPUs don’t fit the thermal design specifications of the 13’‘ chassis, but they could run them at a lower frequency.
If a quad-core and a dual-core have the same total performance, I very much prefer the quad-core. Of course, everybody has different needs.
Wait for Intel to announce 15W/28W quads.
Not holding my breath :(. Even if Intel releases such a thing, it will take at least another cycle for these laptops to get it.
Why would they make a dual core anything these days? Wait, depressingly I know the answer. I’m just going to point out that many phones are 6 and 8 cores these days.
And their IPC is miserable. Apple’s phone cores are only dual cores (in a big/little configuration now) and they’re the fastest mobile SoC in town.
Using Vim is going to be interesting on one of these… I bet people will just remap the Caps Lock key as Escape or something similar. Still, I think the touch bar will be an overall improvement outside of the specific communities that required the old setup.
It’s always been really inefficient to pull your hand off the home row and reach way up to the escape key. Vi was designed for a keyboard that had the escape key where the tab key is in a US layout. Remapping capslock to escape or typing ctrl-[ has always been the pro-vim user’s way of generating an escape keycode directly.
I tend to map “jj” to escape. Works well, can be typed very quickly, and I doubt people type “jj” very much, if at all.
Yeah, that or use the ±§ key (top left, next to ‘1’ on UK keyboards) or it’s equivalent. I quite like using Caps Lock as Ctrl (and I’m a Vim user).
I’m curious to see what it’d be like to use the Esc on the touch bar - I’m guessing the feel will be too different to the rest of the keyboard for most people.
inoremap fd <ESC>
inoremap jj <ESC>
inoremap jk <ESC>
You’ll thank me later.
Using vim with the usual ESC location already sucks.
You can use ctrl-c instead of esc in vim.
You probably want to use ctrl-[. Ctrl-C will not trigger autocmds, abbreviations and so on.
Steven Troughton-Smith has posted some interesting tweets. From his research, the touch bar runs watchOS and communicates with the MBP over USB. Outside of macOS the firmware should show the function key row (a sane default for OSes that don’t support the touch bar).
Not to mention the security implications of having the Secure Enclave that comes along with the Touch Bar. TouchID, Camera, and Keychain operations that are gated off from the rest of the system might be worth the extra dollars.
I nearly lost it when I saw the touch bar demoed with an emoji picker.
Seriously Apple, some of us actually create things instead of just consume them.
I was due for an upgrade at work. I ended up nabbing a 2015 MBP. I need my escape key.
They literally spent the better part of an hour showing how the touchbar’s functionality adapted to music creation, movie editing, photo creating/editing, unix terminals, and a bunch of other creation apps.
The “Apple doesn’t build things for creation” narrative in no way tracks with the presentation they just gave.
I actually think that the Surface Dial might be a bit more useful than a touch bar, assuming both of them have the same level of support from Adobe and the likes.
To be honest, to me the touch bar seems more a Microsoft gimmick and the Dial more of an Apple product than the other way around.
The amount of emoji people send me in a given day is sometimes surprising. Modern day hieroglyphics I guess.
I assume the emoji display is app specific (imessage, slack?). In a “messaging” context, I bet lots of “creators” would even find themselves using it once or twice.
My vitriol stems from Apple allocating time/money to these features instead of improving the specs for actual professional users (to say nothing of breaking workflows via things like removing the escape key).
I’m pretty salty about it because nobody really seems interested in the prosumer market, but everyone seems to fighting over the “browses Facebook” market.
Well, as least as far as software development goes, I think I’m happy that Apple is holding the line at 16GB. The world needs less software that requires 32 or 64 GB to build, not more. :)
I won’t argue there needs to be less software bloat, but literally the only reason I have a Mac is that there’s no good photo or video editing software on Linux, and more RAM helps tremendously for both of those.
Honestly, I don’t feel strongly one way or the other about the new hardware, but if Apple doesn’t start improving the quality of their software my next machine is going to be a Dell or Lenovo laptop running Windows.
Ideally Capture One, DxO Optics, or even LightRoom would run on Linux, but until then I’m stuck with one machine running either OSX or Windows, and it looks like I’m going back to Windows.
I do get the saltiness. I am salty that I feel “stuck” with a 2009 mbp because it was the last matte screen I could get at the time, and the glossy highly reflective screens of today kinda make my eyes feel like they are bleeding after more than a little use.
But I don’t know that disparaging other users with emoji jokes really helps anyone. Some random teenager or grandparent likely want to enjoy their computer experience as much as anyone else.
That aside, I do agree that it did seem like a very lackluster and puzzling announcement today. Maybe my expectations were just too high going in. The hardware specs felt disappointing (at least offer more than 16gb of ram as a custom configuration!), there were no desktop updates (I don’t use one but it was still surprising), the no escape key thing on some models (remap caps lock I guess), etc.
Maybe this is just a case of prioritizing for industrial design? I mean, from the standpoint of design, the new model is thinner, lighter, a bit more balanced/uniform looking, larger touch surface (enabled by no need for movement due to haptic touchpad), new keyboard design elements with a quasi-unifying of some ios touch tech, quieter thermal cooling, better sound, overall look is visually pleasant, display apparently has higher color gamut and better contrast, etc.
Still looking for a good matte screen though (or at least a glossy one that is far less reflective)!
Have you tried a screen protector? I never had a glossy screen until I got a chrome book, and it was killing me, but $7 later and it’s indistinguishable from any other laptop I own.
I tried one at one point, but it didn’t really work out so well. Maybe because there were now extra layers of glass between the screen and the diffuser, or the leds didn’t diffuse as well as the older CFL, or maybe the diffuser I tried was just crap?
However, it has been a while since I tried it (a few years at least). Might be worth trying again – thanks for the recommendation.
I’m not tempted to buy one. I would be tempted by an nVidia update to the garbage can Mac Pro, but that’s certainly not going to happen. HEAR ME, COOK? You won’t get my money unless you cater to my exact whims!
TIL you can’t upgrade the Mac Pro’s GPU. That’s just sad: https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Mac+Pro+Late+2013+Graphics+Card+Replacement/21208
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If you bought that, you got played: https://www.techinferno.com/index.php?/forums/topic/7921-rip-off-alert-bizon-box-2-is-an-overpriced-modified-akitio-thunder2-enclosure/
I hope they add the touch bar technology to their keyboards soon. I think they did the right thing. Touch interfaces have a tremendous potential, but for a device with a keyboard, putting it in a touchscreen is a mistake. Putting it in the keyboard makes much more sense.
The Touch Bar truly is a new invention. It’s nice to see that desktops and laptops can still have more than just iterations.
I’m still oscillating wildly between “I want one” and “this is going to be terrible for all my peripherals”, but the one thing I’m really interested in seeing once they come out is a technical guide to working with the Secure Enclave programmatically.
And the rants keep coming in.