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    Not yet, not yet.

    Google for “44/8 fiasco”. TLDR: hamradio dudes had 16 million IPv4 addresses (44.x.y.z) and sold 4 millions of them addresses to Amazon for an undisclosed price (while “undisclosing” the destination of that money).

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      Not yet as in “there are still IPv4 addresses available in the world?” Sure, but with the RIRs not having any to allocate we’re entering what I expect to be the new normal: landlords willing to let you hold a /32 for a few bucks a month, but you’re never going to get your own routable space. I’d expect the number of landlords to begin consolidating over the next decade as well, just as I expect the holdouts with large net blocks to look to private sales to cash in.

      Those landlords are sitting on tons of IP space too. When GE sold 3/8 to AWS (AKA the thorn in my 2018/2019) agreements were made when certain subnets would go live. For a long time post sale much of it was dark. The last time I looked at AWS’ advertisements, quite a bit still is.

      And amusingly enough, rumor has it that there are plenty of companies paying for unallocated EIPs for finicky old systems that will never be re-IPed into RFC1918 space - so that landlord/tenant relationship goes deep.

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      Some big ISPs still have a large stockpile of IPv4

      So it continues…

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        This sucks. For a while I’ve been wanting to apply to become a RIPE member and receive a /22 allocation that I wanted to use to bootstrap a community mesh network in my area. You snooze you lose.

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          Why not use IPv6 for this application? Sounds ideal.

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            Dual stacks aren’t going away any time soon, either you do that, or some CGNAT 6-to-4 stuff on the network edge, and you’ll need at least some IPv4 allocation

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            Yup… it went really fast the last couple of months… I was just in time, was also thinking about it for a long time, but finally registered 6 months ago. My /22 and /29 (v6) are live as we speak :)

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            I can’t reach this page at all, and the cached version doesn’t seem to work either. It fails saying “The page isn’t redirecting properly / An error occurred during a connection to www.ispreview.co.uk. / This problem can sometimes be caused by disabling or refusing to accept cookies.” But I turned off my ad blocker and “enhanced tracking protection” in Firefox and got the same error.

            Brave threw a slightly different error saying “This page isn’t workingwww.ispreview.co.uk redirected you too many times. Try clearing your cookies. ERR_TOO_MANY_REDIRECTS”

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              Both the live page and the cached version are loading fine for me. If they still aren’t working for you, try the Wayback Machine, which also loads for me.

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                Interesting, the Wayback Machine works, but neither the live page nor archive.is are working. At least I can read the article now!

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                  Are you using cloudflare DNS? I remember a recent post here about an issue with archive.is

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                    Wow, you’re psychic! I am indeed using 1.1.1.1.

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              I wonder if we’ll see small players squeezed out of the Internet by super high costs for IPv4 addresses.

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                (“Not this again…”) According to that chart, RIPE took over 3 years to hand out as many IPs as Ford uses for their website, even while giving out 1000 at a time to random people elsewhere in this thread. You’ll know things are serious when (but not until) these early allocations start being taken back.

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                  (“Not this again…”) “take those early allocations back” is a completely pointless non-starter, as people point out over, and over, and over again, anytime anyone acts like it is a feasible solution to anything:

                  1. there is no clear legal authority for anyone to do so, guaranteeing at minimum years of court cases if the IANA tried to seize Ford’s, or Apple’s, etc. The fact that these blocks have significant monetary value (ARDC sold one of their /10s to Amazon recently) practically guarantees IANA loses any such attempt at seizure.

                  2. Even if you could take them back, it would take time for Ford et al to consolidate the usage of their space to create maximumly useful, routable IP blocks – work that Ford et al have no reason to want to do for free, or with any alacrity, and which, again, no one has any legal power to compel from them.

                  3. It’s pointless! Demand is accelerating. For years of court cases even if you won against Ford, you’d end up with far less than a 3 years supply of IPs – RIPE isn’t the only number authority that would need access to them. APNIC, ARIN, and LACNIC are also exhausted. The time and money is better invested in the solution (replace your IPv4-only routers, Publish AAAA records, get your head out of the sand) rather than expensive, incredibly short-term bandaids.