As I predicted. People are much more talk than walk in FOSS on the hardware side. They won’t sacrifice the modern experience or significant money to achieve true freedom or security. The same problem that plagued high-assurance security since the 80’s. Although, this is an example where they’d have quite the experience once the workstations started rolling out. Still rejected it.
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“Or more like the company didn’t understand MVP (why the FPGA?) or realistic pricing points. Who’s willing to pay 10-20 times the cost for just a motherboard compared to good Supermicro workstation/server ones?”
People even made those same points to Raptor’s people on various forums including Hacker News. They ignored them for whatever reason. I think the scenario of requiring a minimal, computing experience to get trustworthy hardware will be necessary for first iteration. Good news is there’s an old trick to step up from say a Leon3/4 go a performant desktop: 4-way SMP where 3 of CPU’s are sold at cost. Avoids full-custom CPU until economically viable.
Will take more energy and be slower on single-core performance. Oh well. Might have to start using efficient software again. ;)
IMO the problem with this Talos system is that for 99.99% of people the benefits don’t even come close to outweighing the huge extra cost.
I’m a software developer, I understand the issues involved, and I’m hard pressed to come up with any advantages to paying $3700 for this system instead of buying a Macbook or a MS Surface Book.
“Freedom” is nice, but “non-freedom” isn’t causing me any problems in this area.
Do you think it will over time as App Stores, TPM’s, etc increase? If you did, then one reason to buy alternatives is to ensure your end of the market is rewarding people supplying desktops without that stuff. The vote with the wallet concept on top of money for further R&D and improvements. Now, if you didn’t, then you wouldn’t be justified in buying anything except Intel or AMD. Possibly Like New on eBay, too.
Do you think it will over time as App Stores, TPM’s, etc increase?
I’m not sure what “it” is referring to here. Do you mean the benefits of completely open systems? Or do you mean “non-freedom” will cause more problems as App Stores and TPMs increase?
The answer to both questions is: No, I don’t think my concern will increase as those things become more prevalent. I can really care less about whether my hardware requires signed binary blob firmware or not. I have zero interest in controlling it at that level.
Now, if you didn’t, then you wouldn’t be justified in buying anything except Intel or AMD. Possibly Like New on eBay, too.
I’ll continue buying what works best for my needs, at the best price.
Control is what I’m talking about. One of the things they wanted to do with built-in DRM was forcing you to pay for each use of a piece of content, on each device, or for amount of time spent. Almost all the content providers in movie and music space were on board. Other angles include remotely wiping content off your device that’s legitimate and you want. Others include your stuff being disabled because you didn’t pay a monthly fee whereas you currently would just buy that device/app to keep it in perpetuity just no updates.
Do any of these results of you not owning the device concern you? All I can think of as I’m still waking up. ;)
I don’t really see what subscription software licenses, app stores, and DRM have to do with this.
The selling point of Talos over other systems was free and open hardware without signed firmware and binary blobs, which is orthogonal to the concepts you’re talking about.
app stores, and DRM have to do with this.
You don’t see what 3rd parties controlling what apps, music, and movies can run on your PC, how often, or how long to have to do with… whether a user controls their PC, its apps, and its content? Well, that is what we’re talking about with owner-controlled. You can do whatever you want with it. They can’t interfere outside the legal system. You buy content, you put it on the PC, run it, listen to it, etc. The opposite model, which TCG pushed toward firmware & CPU’s, is to have them decide with signatures & lists what you can run. Then, they make sure you can’t copy content through the OS to help media companies. Then, they might make sure with players or app stores you’re further restricted to what they want you to use. They’ve already done a bit of this but there was enough pushback and alternatives to prevent it from becoming the full experience.
Heck, Microsoft, hypervisor vendors, etc always listed it in their promotional material for security technologies like TPM, too. The media companies were especially interested in charging per use or per device instead of one-time sales. Sony went further to slip a rootkit on their music CD’s. The general cases require devices the owners don’t control, though. Devices with DRM. It’s the foundation they [publicly] intend to build more revenue & lock-in schemes on.
I’m almost certain the same is true on the software side, as well; software just has (a) a different culture, born from different roots, and (b) is much cheaper and easier to design, build and “manufacture”.