Can anyone recommend a good VPS provider that is a European based company not US or UK.
And also affordable as i am not a rich person. :)
I was pleasantly surprised by the Hetzner cloud (I’ve had terrible experience with their hardware offerings). It’s cheap, stable and it works.
I stil have some VPS at strato.de - they’re not such a good bang for the buck but they’ve been very stable for me (multiple VPS, 10 years).
There’s also tilaa (I haven’t tried them but heard some good things) and scaleway - not sure where the company is really based.
Oh nice Hetzner looks good, + points for being German!
Prices for their small vps’s are comparible to scaleways.
How was customer support?
Can’t really comment, haven’t used any support iirc.
Had a problem once with one of those cloud VMs where it wouldn’t boot, but I could get the rescue system up and running and so I could do a quick check if I needed to back up something (was purely a test instance, so I didnt set up backups). But if you accept cloud instances as somewhat ephemeral, I don’t see that as a problem. This has happened to me on AWS and GCP as well.
Looks like they have the option of hosting it in Finland. Anyone know how well it works to run openvpn from a VPS given that it is significantly cheaper than a VPN? I used to pay for a VPN to get Finnish TV from abroad but the IP would get blocked from time-to-time. Are cloud providers more immune to that? Or do they detect you in other ways such as via DNS?
If anything the Hetzner Finland IPs are shown to be in Germany, since the blocks are owned by Hetzner. But it’s cheap to test, minimum pay isn’t a whole month.
I use hetzner cloud (they operate in de and fi) and scaleway (fr and nl). Both are similar if you just need compute, but scaleway can be interesting if you want arm-based servers or a blobstore.
vultr is American, but they have datacenters globally, so that could also be an option. They also support BSDs ootb.
I also use hetzner cloud (their cheapest offering) and I run OpenBSD 6.4 on it with IPv4 and IPv6, no issues at all.
UpCloud has its headquarters in Finland. I had some issues with their service when I tried it, but it was six years ago and I expect it has matured since then.
Haven’t had any problems with UpCloud, and their disk speed seem far superior to any other provider
I have a long blogpost in the pipeline about VPS offers and how basically it’s a huge lemon market.
Most of the companies on the market are like antivirus products: they suck and rely on the inability of their customers to tell* how badly they suck.
The tier1 providers (basically AWS and GCP) have alright offers, but at a higher price and with the (ethical, moral) issues that come with using Amazon or Google services. (Technically Azure is tier1, but not really from the stability/reliability perspective.)
*unable to quantify performance, price, reliability, security, ethical business practices in any meaningful way
Lobsters runs on Prgmr. They seem like an exception to lemon market so far along most dimensions.
nice suggestion, also bookmarked for research
I don’t know. I am using AWS at work and smaller players for my private stuff. They both serve their purpose. I would not run my pet-projects in AWS, since I do not like the mono-culture + the smaller hosters are quite alright for what I want to do.
Would like to point out AWS also has Lightsail, which looks like it aims to compete with less complex VPS offerings. (But I have no actual experience with it.)
i am avoiding amazon in general due to their treatment of workers.
Same here. I also shop at Costco because they take care of their workers.
Ok so i have chosen to go with Hetzner.com.
So far im impressed, the control panel is amazing and incredibly responsive, with live graphs for your VPS.
sign up was different than scaleway i had to provide ID or a bank transfer or payment via paypal, i chose to send ID via email encrypted using their PGP pub key. This went fast, was verified in a couple of minutes.
First thing i noticed was how fast a VPS was created, matter of seconds, unlike Scaleway’s minutes or sometimes just fails to create the VPS at all, and you find your self contacting support to fix it. :(
i chose their cheap 2.96euro VPS: CX11, 1 CPU, 2GB RAM, 20GB storage, 20TB bandwidth allowance
Ive installed and setup some needed packages and i can say straight away the speed difference is more than noticeable compared to Scaleways, network and CPU beat Scaleway hands down.
So i hope the experience stays good, time will tell.
Thank you to everyone for you recommendations,
hope this helps others choose a better service as well.
I host my stuff at Scaleway, quite cheap and their parent company seems to be France based (SAS Online)
i am currently with Scaleway, but trying to escape them.
They keep screwing basic things up, also hearing more and more horror story’s from friends who where with them.
give hetzner cloud a try. I am liking them more and more.
im heavily leaning towards them so far
Would you mind elaborating on what they screw up?
Downtime, corrupted data, unexpected reboots, hypervisor failures, network failures….
Customer service has been a disaster a few times as well.
They have locations in Paris and Amsterdam. Using the latter in one of my personal projects.
The actual downtimes are quite beyond those advertised in SLA. In the 6 months of 2018 they’ve been down for ~8 hours due to routing issues and a one-time outage exceeding 12 hours due to my instance’s hypervisor failure. In either case they do not announce the outages until you notice it yourself, which is really the worst part of it.
So cheap, easy to use, but try something else for mission critical stuff.
I see, but I wouldn’t host any mission critical stuff on a €10 VPS anyway. For my personal website and IRC bouncer, it’s fine.
They have different tiers, but it’s doubtful that the routing failure for their top tier customers was fixed any faster.
I’m on Scaleway too. Been looking for alternatives since I’ve had some issues but I can’t seem to find anyone else with unmetered bandwidth at these prices. I guess you can’t keep the cake and eat it too.
Hetzner cloud is not unmetered, but you get 20 TB/month/instance. Works for my usecase. Maybe give them a try.
Same here, as long as you don’t reboot your system, your data would be safe.
ovh.ie might be interesting…
OVH and its brands (eg Kimsufi) are good options as long as you’re not interesting in running a mail relay: their IP space is pretty much locked down in black lists because they’re apparently relatively spammer-friendly.
Since the OP wants to stay away from US/UK, another reason to be wary of them may be that they’re quite involved in Canada which probably open them to the kind of “friendly inquiries” US/UK based operators also face.
My server is hosted at netcup.de, never had a problem and service is pretty quick, can recommend!
There are benchmarks, as well!
kimsufi.com is probably as cheap as it gets, they even have cheap dedicated servers with very reasonable HDD space.
I can’t complain about the reliability, I’ve been using their service for a while and have had little downtime.
On https://www.arubacloud.com/ the cheapest VPS is actually ~1 EUR per month if you let them migrate your VPS around datacenters. I’m using that for routing and OpenVPN.
Just curious, what are the advantages of working with an EU based company rather than a non EU company with servers in EU?
for me its the laws that exist to protect users and their data in the EU that’s important.
I guess what I wasn’t clear on was the distinction between “owned by a German company” and “owned by other but physically located in Germany and thus subject to all EU privacy / data protection laws”.
sorry, yeah i could have been clearer on that part!
As you probably know US company’s based else where even though subject to EU laws can still be compelled by the US government to hand over data. Plus as we have seen with Facebook and google they don’t care much for these new rules, hence the current court cases going on with them.
I had an account with Linode and they had a weird privacy agreement. Which required you to accept your data being passed on to third party’s by default. If you did not like this you could email them after the fact to have that changed. Which is a large misunderstanding of how the GDPR works, has to be opt-in, not opt-out! Which made me sad as i very much liked Linode.
American companies (especially the smaller ones with minimal legal departments) have been struggling like hell with GDPR.
On the whole, I think that’s OK, because said companies need to learn that these things are importand and require / deserve to be properly resources, better they find that out sooner rather than later.
At work, we had some German customers that would not sign with us unless we hosted their data on servers with a European owner. It mostly traced back to PRISM, which showed that the NSA (among others) would use their state power to request data from subsidiaries outside the states through their American owner companies.
Things such as GDPR is also interesting, as technically the EU has rules for anyone handling details* on European citizens, but it might be hard to enforce against a company in South America or the US.
I’ve had good experiences with Kimsufi / OVH (one is a subsidiary of the other) renting tiny servers. They are in France. Their service is cheap and bad. It’s cheap because it’s bad. Providing good service costs money which you are not paying them. So if you just want a little Linux thing with SSH and a big internet connection to tool around on and run little projects on, and are prepared to just kind of shrug and say “oui, c’est bon, c’est la vie” when stuff doesn’t work and support is nonexistent, then you’re likely to have a good time.
GANDI has always treated me very well. They’re based in France, IIRC.
Prometeus is in Italy, have both regular VPS and Cloudstack (IperWeb). http://www.prometeus.net/ - support is good and uptime for the three servers I have is reliable. Maintenance is announced beforehand and during incidents communication is fast from them.
For a long time I had a few servers with Edis.at https://www.edis.at/en/home/ and that was good as well. Not that fast but that was due to a lower specd VPS. Control panel is a self made one but works . Never had an incident there so can’t comment in that.
A good resource for VPS comparison is https://lowendtalk.com. but nowdays you do need to ignore all the low quality topics.
Other servers I have are from US or UK companies. I have worked at http://cloudvps.nl and they have OpenStack, but are expensive.
There is also http://openbsd.amsterdam if you’re into that.
Too see what servers power https://raymii.org right now see the live cluster status page: https://raymii.org/s/software/Sparkling_Network.html - it includes the specs per server.
I’ve used Prometeus before… their headquarters are in Italy, and they are also in the Netherlands and Romania. Their VPS’ are fairly cheap, and I never had problems with them.
Exoscale is present in Switzerland, Germany, and Austria. And provides fast VMs and Object Storage. I am biased but think we are OK
Check out serverhunter.com for direct comparisons and the occasional review for EU and US-based dedi/VPS hosts.
https://servers.com or if price is a problem scaleway. Scaleway quite tolerate even to exit nodes as I knew.
I have for the past 682 days used Scaleway and have been happy with their service. Their smallest x86-64 VPS comes in at €1.99/mo. I personally use their dedicated quad core ARMv7 boxes at €2.99/mo.
I believe they have data centres in Paris and Amsterdam.
your one of the lucky few without issues!
I only ever use dedicated hardware, so maybe the issues were with the virtualised platform?
Looking at my 30-second resolution up time performance stats I had five minutes down time last year due to Scaleways datacenter having outbound routing issues and approximately two hours due to my own cock ups ;)
Virtualised servers should have better uptime, since you can sling them to another physical host when you need to do maintenance on the underlying hardware.
These issues i list span over dedicated hardware as well, not unique to the Virtualization platform.
I hope your luck continues with them.
I have been using SoYouStart.com (OVH) in France for several years now. Their dedicated servers are good and reasonably priced. In general I am happy with them. My only complaint is the slow support. I have only had to contact their support maybe once a year, but when you do it can take 2+ days to get a reply. I am not running anything super-critical so I can live with it.