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      Teenage me wouldn’t have believed you if you had told him that one day, geek chic would become so mainstream that vi vs emacs and tabs vs spaces would be part of the plot in television shows.

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        Sounds like a typical emacs user, vi users have always been cool.

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          True story.

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        How old are you? I”m pretty sure “Silicon Valley” covered this topic in 2014. And I assume Big Bang Theory too, but I can’t stand that show.

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          I believe that’s what the tabs vs spaces was in reference to.

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          Also can’t stand when people assume I’d love it.

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      Sorry to crash the party. I’m part ed, part acme.

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        How bourgeois… real programmers toggle it in… with their teeth :-D

        More seriously… I learned emacs in the mid to late 90’s and so it kind of stuck. I do know enough vi to do real damage. These days I use VSCode (with emacs bindings) and while I like the ideas in acme and really want to use it…I really want at least basic cursor navigation from the keyboard.

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          I do know enough vi to do real damage.

          In my experience you can do real damage in vi just by pressing a few keys at random…

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        Ed is the standard text editor.

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        So sam ?

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        obligatory xkcd: https://xkcd.com/378/

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      This show was so good. By the creators of The OA, and if that doesn’t draw you in I can’t help you. Emma Corrin, who played Princess Diana in The Crown, is even better here in a totally different role as a hacker/sleuth. (Britt Marling plays another hacker, well an ex-hacker.)

      There is a lot of tech stuff done right. A house is broken into by abusing an 80s kids’ toy to make every garage door in the block open. Darby gets the credentials for a hotel’s hidden WiFi network by breaking open a smart light bulb and dumping its flash. The big reveal of the killer in the last episode is extremely clever, in a 21st-century Agatha Christie way.

      There’s a bit too much of the Megalomaniac Tech CEO trope, but that’s the only negative thing I can find.

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        By the creators of The OA

        I am incredibly curious how popular that show ended up being. My wife and I devoured it but I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone talk about it IRL. Definitely will be checking this show out now, thanks!

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          Not popular enough to not get canceled, which I guess is the only objective measure, sadly.

          The Netflix Engagement Report (1) for the first half of 2023 has it listed at 1406 with 15.3M hours watched, years after its abrupt cancellation, so it’s not nothing. That’s in the same ballpark as other successful, contemporaneous sci-fi-ish shows like Altered Carbon and much higher than also great but definitely less successful ones like Maniac. I have no idea what conclusion anyone should draw from any of that.

          Disclaimer: I work at Netflix, but only as a stupid programmer.

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        Darby gets the credentials for a hotel’s hidden WiFi network by breaking open a smart light bulb and dumping its flash

        I just started watching it yesterday and that bit made me cringe a bit. Getting the password that way made sense but it was a bit annoying that they talked about how finding the SSID was hard. Even if it’s not broadcast, it’s in plaintext in every 802.11 frame flowing through the air from devices on that network.

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        Okay, I’m sold. Very picky about TV series I watch but I’ll give this one a go.

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      What kind of question is that… vi improved, obviously.

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      Dumb question, what’s the name of the show?

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        A Murder at the End of the World.

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      So in the show do they pronounce it vee-eye or vie?

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        Or, if you’re a particular kind of pedant, “six”.

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          Is vi backwards compatible enough to run on risc-v?

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        Neither, it’s vee.

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        Saving you the search if you (like me) don’t know the answer: Wikipedia says it’s “vee-eye.”

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          It’s Jif. And Vie.

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          I used to make an attempt to pronounce code things the “official way”. Then I learned about “JSON”.

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      The creators of this show are a little out there like that. Season 2 of their first popular show, The OA, has a plot line centered around a house of puzzle solvers in SF.

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        The OA was bonkers and delightful, and I had no idea it was by the same people. I’ll definitely be watching this now.

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        I also had no idea they’re the same creators! Will definitely watch.

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          Brit Marling, the blond woman from the OA is also in murder at the end of the world and she created both.

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      I’ve installed Emacs but been procrastinating the learning and tutoring myself on it since a long time. Somehow, the existing clumsy tools, editors and IDEs just happen to fulfill all my needs in time and keep me from going that way :-(

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        An editor? I always thought eMacs was an operating system.

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          I always thought eMacs was an operating system

          No, eMacs are all-in-one computers.