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    I would take a significant pay cut before I went back to working in an office.

    I wake up now, walk my son to school, come back home and play with my younger son and have coffee with my wife. I go upstairs to my office when the time comes and get to work. When my son gets home from school, I’m there to greet him and give him a hug. When my wife needs help (un)loading the car, I can run down and help her. On my breaks I can go take a shower or eat lunch at home (much cheaper than buying lunch), etc, etc.

    I combat the lack of socialization by going out anywhere between one and four times a month with a close friend of mine who also works from home; we set up shop in a coffee shop/bar/restaurant and work the day together (though to be honest, we do a lot of socializing, since it was pent up).

    This has worked for me for about a decade now.

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      It’s like you’ve been watching me…

      But seriously. The extra time I get to have with my kids working from home is just the best thing ever.

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        love that idea with your friend. I’m gonna try it too :)

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          Well okay but get you’ll have to get your own friend.

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            😆😂

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          Ditto for me since I starting remoting from about a year back.

          For socialising, I make sure I get two/three slots of non contact sport a week.

          Out of the things I wish I had done sooner, this is pretty much at the top.

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          Still outweighs stress for commuting to office and sitting in noisy and uncomfortable environment. Offices are usually creepy and dirty in my city, sometimes out of reach of public transport routes. Bad lighting, constant noise of drill in neighboring rooms (where short-living companies come and go), cockroaches, sewerage smell, dirty overloaded toilets. Colleagues fighting for better place to sit, opening and closing windows and turning on and off air conditioner. Constant feeling of surveillance.

          After working remotely, I don’t want to work at office anymore.

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            Can I ask what city you’re working in?

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              Saint Petersburg

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            I’ve been working 100% remote for two years now (to the day, coincidentally). I agree with most of the downsides listed here, but IMO they’re far outweighed by the good points. My last office job wasn’t bad by any means, but it was still an office, and commuting was chewing up 2 hours of my life I’ll never get back every single day. Good for consuming audio books, terrible for the soul.

            But it’s not just better for me. You think Bitcoin is wasting energy? Think about how many people you know who are forced to commute for an hour each way, simply because the machine feels they need to be monitored. The insistence on physically watching your employees to make sure they’re “at work” over the last hundred years has distorted almost everything about life in the west. Housing prices are correlated with “distance from work” more than just about anything else. Rush hour traffic, and the resulting toll on the environment, human happiness and road deaths. People having to choose between not having enough space outside to have a barbecue, living some place you hate, burning 2 hours of life a day in a metal box, or blowing their entire income on paying the rent- or all four, for many. It’s awful.

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              Having never worked remote (yet!), but having a 70+ mile round trip commute each day really sucks. Since I’ve moved to the new office I sit about 3 feet from the restrooms, so I can hear everything. Sadly people like it warm in the office, so the thermostat is normally set to around 77-80F. Most recently speakers were installed in the ceiling, and constantly stream Pandora Business (~$30 a month).

              I haven’t heard of any horrible remote work experiences, but everyone that I know who has tried it loves it. Hopefully I am able to at some point as well!

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                I haven’t heard of any horrible remote work experiences

                The linked article seems to be a comprehensive list of all the things you can possibly do (or have done to you) to make remote working not work. But even then a lot of it doesn’t even seem that specific to remote working; like having three different people trying to talk to you at once–if you don’t know how to stand up and say “no” when unrealistic demands are placed on your time, you’re going to have problems whether you’re remote or in an office.

                A lot of the things in the article also come down to “people in my company don’t know how to deal with the fact that not everyone is in the office” which you can’t really do anything to fix other than “take care when deciding where to work”. If your company uses “how responsive are you to chats” as a measure of how productive you are, that’s a huge red flag and indicates some serious dysfunction in the organization.

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                  A lot of the things in the article also come down to “people in my company don’t know how to deal with the fact that not everyone is in the office” which you can’t really do anything to fix other than “take care when deciding where to work”.

                  I don’t think you have to surrender to the dysfunction. You can try to explain to your manager and / or colleagues how things could be better for remote team members (over video chat, not email, so they can see and hear that that you’re being constructive, not whinging).

                  If you try that a few times and it doesn’t work, then, yeah… I guess one potential joy of working remote for one company is you can work remote for another :)

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                I enjoy working in an office, as long as I’m actually in my own office (with a door that closes). Unfortunately, open floorplans are still the standard for most companies, and I just have a hard time with those. So remote work is a way for me to not have to deal with loud officemates and all the other sights, sounds, and smells that I find frustrating in an open floorplan space.

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                  I’m in the ninth year of remote work now (wow!) and I’ve experienced remote work both from a contractor’s side and the manager’s side. Even though the article is spot on, I’d have trouble going back to an office, especially as offices tend to be set up as totally unproductive environments these days. Besides, it would be difficult for me & my wife to manage my daughter’s pickup/dropoff and various activities if we were both stuck in an office all day.

                  @lorddimwit’s idea of working with a friend for a day is great, but I don’t have any friends who work remotely in my city.

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                    The stress of remote work depends a lot on whether it’s common in the company you work for. If most people work in the office and you work remotely, then there is very little chance of getting promoted to a position where you are managing people. Also, companies who don’t have a lot of remote workers tend to lack systems and culture which facilitates easier remote work.

                    I currently work remotely roughly 40% of the time because my commute is 1 hour each way otherwise and I refused to do that when negotiating my position. It’s a pretty good compromise for getting things done effectively in a traditional company. I can just schedule important meetings/discussions when I am in the office and focus on heads down work when I am at home.

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                      I’ve worked remotely since 2010, and relate to all of this, especially the career risk aspect. In my last position, I never felt like I was in the loop on what was happening until it was dictated to me. I have a home office, which solves the where to work part most days. But I sometimes work at cafes, hotel lobbies, or my local library.

                      For me, isolation, overwork, and communication are easier to deal with than a bad commute.