RSS is not dead. Every blog I follow puts out RSS. Pretty much every podcast uses rss right?
I don’t want “social hubs” for RSS.
I like RSS because I can pull it into tons of stuff. I specifically don’t want to rely on an rss aggregator.
This blog conflates killing RSS with killing companies that rely on RSS.
I think a lot of people here are confusing killing rss with killing rss for you. Sure, you can use RSS, just like you can use plain text email, irc, xmpp, etc. The difference is that most people don’t consider RSS/Atom to be a medium they can use to follow sites. Twitter, Facebook and similar sites have taken over that role.
The main reason RSS/Atom really seems to still exist (outside of the technical sphere), is because most blogging engines/CMS’ automatically generate them – I’d bet that if sites like Wordpress would require you to manually enable RSS, that there would be a quite significant drop in sites offering RSS.
Unfortunately, I’m running into more and more blogs (especially technical ones!) that don’t publish RSS feeds. I wonder if some of the newer static site generators don’t generate RSS feeds by default.
Often such blogs do have feeds, they are just missing the autodiscovery meta tags. I see this a lot with Hugo blogs, which universally have a (mildly malformed) feed. I guess writing a custom template from scratch is popular?
Afaik, most “major” static site generators do implement and use RSS/Atom feeds by default (albeit with varying quality). But since there are many people who implement their own generators (me included), they might not have gotten around to implementing a feed generator too?
You’d think it’d be just another template. For my own blog I support RSS, Atom, JSON and gopher (all four are equally popular) and they’re all generated via additional templates.
This is a fair point.
It certainly didn’t kill it for me. It put a bad taste in my mouth but ultimately I found better and more flexible options. Feedbin for syncing and managing feeds, Reeder for iOS, and Readkit for MacOS.
Umm, I’m reading this site through Newsblur (https://www.newsblur.com) A fantastic RSS site that beat the pants off of google reader when it started and google reader was still around, and has been adding more features ever since. Sites like this are the only way out of the algorithmic (Facebook) rage-baity (Twitter) “feeds” that take control away from their users and sell their info to the highest bidder.
Yes, I have to pay something like $25/year for it but it’s well worth the money.
Also, the site is designed, built, administered and maintained by a company of … one person.
I have had a paid Newsblur account since just before Reader got shut down.
It’s nowhere near the same.
With Reader, there was an active social community built around rich content sharing with contextualized discussion with heavy network effects that is simply not present in Newsblur or any other post-Reader reader.
This was, from an outside perspective, classic “embrace and extinguish”, and I see no reason to take any other view.
I’m reading lobste.rs through RSS. I’m doing the same for the orange site. Same for all news sites I’m using. Same for selected github repos. Same for netcasts. All of this (and more) through the Nextcloud News app running on the server-under-the-stairs.
RSS is far from dead.
I’ve thought about consuming lobste.rs and HN via RSS, only to be scared of the enormous amount of content. Normally I just visit the frontpage of the sites.
Where are the feeds located for lobste.rs? I see it mentioned here that there are both public and private feeds, but I only seem to be able to find the public ones for example lobste.rs/rss. Or is it already customized to my filters when I’m logged in?
I’m using the comments feed: https://lobste.rs/comments.rss
The orange site: https://news.ycombinator.com/rss
The lobste.rs feed is fairly high-volume, not tailored to any login or account or filter. That is the way I like it, I’d rather be my own ‘filter’. The feed reader (Nextcloud News in my case) can take care of sorting high-volume feeds into their respective origins so they don’t drown out lower-volume feeds from other sites.
One of the advantages of using RSS for sites like HN is that it gets around the sometimes rather rabid front page censorship. While those who access those sites through the front page/door have to be extremely lucky (or waste inordinate amounts of time in checking the page every x minutes) to catch posts which are being sunk by the moderators, those who use RSS will see the post in their feed at the moment it was published, front page ranking be damned. The same goes for news sites which often publish first (because timeliness is important in the news business) but edit titles afterwards. It is often revealing to see their editorial bias shine through in the way they try to editorialise titles to fit their own narrative.
You make some really good points. I’m gonna try using HN and lobste.rs via RSS for a couple of days and see how it goes.
Where are the feeds located for lobste.rs?
Where are the feeds located for lobste.rs?
You can follow each tag via RSS separately. Just append .rss to the tag’s URL. E.g. https://lobste.rs/t/historical.rss will give you the RSS feed for articles tagged historical.
I use RSS every day, it’s still used on almost every site. Total BS.
They wish! I use RSS every day. Got tons of stuff in my fancy schmancy Reeder.
Considering where we are at, this post is borderline trolling :)
https://miniflux.app/ <— super handy
I would not say „kill“ but Mozilla also caused some damage to the RSS/Atom by removing support for these technologies from their browser. They removed the reader feature (it was not much usable but as a preview/parser it served pretty well) and even the RSS/Atom button. Copying the URL from the page source code is really not a user-friendly way.
Despite that, I still use this technology and there is no replacement for it.
I used Google Reader and when it shut down, I exported my subscription list (in a standard format), imported that list into several other competitors until I found one I liked (Feedbin), and continued reading essentially without interruption. Isn’t that how interoperable standards are supposed to work? I would be thrilled if any newer social media stuff were as interoperable as RSS.
I used Reader avidly back in the day but in hindsight I’m not convinced of the value of social RSS. For me, turns out all I wanted was an application on my computer that polls a list of feeds and lets me read them, with an option to load the article URL inline instead of the summary in the feed. Fortunately there are good free options:
Windows: No maintained options exist? Everyone just makes clients for Feedly now.
A while ago I wrote this page that you might find worth linking to people who do not publish RSS feeds on their websites. I do know some sites that push updates only via social media, even though the main content is on the site. The most notorious ones are German administrative authorities. The EU commission at least has recently implemented RSS (edit: it appears to be gone already again, with the recent EU commission switch probably, sad).
One thing I didn’t see mentioned here is how Google Reader (and other web-based readers) de-duped feeds, impacting sites with separate ‘paid members-only’ feeds. A notable example is John Gruber (i.e. daringfireball.net) who had member feeds, who mentioned in an interview somewhere (can’t find it) that the issue actually benefitted him as he switched away from member subscriptions to an ad-sponsored business model. If anything things may now be switching back with the rise of memberfunding sites (patreon, subscribestar, …).