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    I have a sneaking suspicion this wasn’t supposed to be published for another 48 hours or so…

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      Joke or no, this is the systemd endgame. Whether systemd merges Linux, or Linux merges systemd, it’s going to happen. It’s bad for Linux as a hobby, but good for Linux as an operating system for businesses and the computing community at large. Companies smaller than Google and Amazon pay for RHEL or SLES for a reason. The “year of Linux on the desktop,” if it ever comes, will be after that merge. Until then, Linux is only viable for people who have the time to deal with the fragmented community, or pay for someone else to do it for them.

      Whether all this is truly good or bad remains to be seen.

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        Why do you think it’s bad for Linux as a hobby?

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          Good question. Part of the fun is putting together the puzzle that is Linux. I don’t think it will destroy the hobby, but it will detract from it somewhat, bring it closer to Windows as a hobby. For example, Gnome 3 already depends on systemd, removing some freedom of choice. There are shims but that’s beside the point.

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            Yet gnome3 even runs on openbsd example, which IIRC doesn’t even have PAM, not speaking about systemd.

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              With stuff missing, hence this project. And this Gnome 3 status post also notes the same problems that the systemd shim aims to solve, namely timedated, localed, hostnamed, and logind.

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      It’s not great trolling because even if I take it seriously I’m not mad, just resigned.

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        Yes … it’s not like anyone would be seriously surprised if they did it.

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        I’m absolutely certain that I don’t want this.

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          Any of you guys are using a non-systemd-containing distro? If so, which one and why? Could you recommend one? I’m looking at Trisquel and it looks interesting. I’d rather have one that will not be super complicated to get into, not because I can’t or don’t know how, but because I’d rather not invest the time yet. At any rate I’m trying Trisquel tonight/tomorrow. Meanwhile, any suggestion you have would be greatly appreciated. :)

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            I’ve found alpine linux (http://alpinelinux.org) to be really satisfying. It is built on top of busybox + musl libc, the packaging system is really similar to Archlinux, and the init system is OpenRC.

            There is also crux (http://crux.nu), archlinux’s ancestor, which is a source based distro, so it require more spare time (but is definitely fun to use!)

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              Do you have any experience with running Alpine Linux as a server? It’s a use case for which a lightweight, simple, low-memory distro might be a good fit, but then I don’t know about compatibility, security support compared to eg. Debian, etc.

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                My server is running on alpine since last october, and I’ve never encountered a major compatibility issue since then.

                I use softwares like mutt, thttpd, dnscache, minidlna, mpd, geomyidae, goaccess, … You’ll have to create a few packages yourself from time to time, because the alpine ports are not as big as the debian ones. But it’s not really a big deal, as you can almost copy paste PKGBUILDs from Archlinux. I was surprised to see how much compatible musl is!

                All of them compiled without problem, and run flawlessly. All of these run with 1Gb of RAM, which is enough for my needs. The core utilities come from busybox, so you have to get used to this, though you can install the GNU userland.

                For the security, I can’t really answer as my server is not directly exposed. But I musl is pretty solid now, so your security depends more on the software you use than the libc.

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              I have one system still using Gentoo, but in the longer term I’m looking to switch everything to FreeBSD / PC-BSD for when this joke becomes reality.

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                You do realize that BSD’s do exactly that? Ie. they develop kernel, init and userland in the same repo, in lockstep?

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                  Yet they are not at all like systemd.

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                    It’s hardly lockstep when you can run init from >15 years ago on today’s kernel and vice versa.

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                Don’t worry, it’s just a joke.

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                that’s in the weekly newsletter of distrowatch, that’s why it was published today and not in two days : it’s an easter-egg

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                  The link goes to a github account owned by @systemdaemon, aka “Ivan Gotyaovich”. Got ya?

                  Although, I’d be quite happy if that happened.

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                    Not just “got ya,” but “I got ya.” :-/

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                    Sounds like an elaborate joke.

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                      Could we get a hoax tag for this kind of stuff?

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                        ‘Satire’ wouldn’t work?

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                          It’s been adjusted as such now thanks to jcs.