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    we’ll for me the hardest part of developing for ios/osx is knowing the framework, its patterns and getting along with xcode. its far more complex than just another language with a slightly different syntax.

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      I really really don’t want to learn swift. I invested so much time in c++ already. I also choose to invest in languages that expand the mind. Haskell, Scala, even the other swift.

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        What’s your point? Either you need to develop for $iDevice, then Swift is certainly the least painful option possible, or you don’t, then why even bother considering learning it?