/me looks to the left to the x230 that had Debian Stable installed in summer 2013 and has since been updated to several versions of stable and testing, not necessarily in order…
I had to triple check this because surely they wouldn’t release a new version without a proper upgrade path. This is in fact real, and the guide to Perform a Release Upgrade tells you to copy all your files. What a joke.
I’m an elementaryOS user on my development machine for about three years now. I like its design a lot; the UX drew me to it. The inability to upgrade in place is my most significant problem with it. It’s not enough to scare me away because I can keep my /home on a separate partition and have to reinstall some packages that will get updated anyway. It encourages me to script my setup and maintain a list of key packages I install through apt, flatpak, or Homebrew.
I love how elementary designers are apparently allergic to adding preferences dialog to the software, so instead they put options that you will change at most once (like „Select Folders with Single Click”) in fricking context menu 🤣
People are going to do what they want I would never tell someone to stop, but this seems like a truly pointless endeavour. Good luck to them, but reskinning fvwm or whatever is remains not developing an alternative OS, in my opinion.
It might have been hyperbole, but reducing Elementary to a “reskin of fvwm” is extremely dismissive, let alone the fact that it is plain wrong. Developing an entire GUI toolkit (Granite) is worthwhile on its own, it is not an easy task. Who cares if it’s not “an alternative OS”? They don’t need to build an entire new kernel. The entire app ecosystem is deserving of its own distro in its own right.
I’m not super familiar with Granite. Do you see any benefits there that might spill out into other Linux distros?
For example, I’m reminded of Linux Mint. I don’t use that distro, but Cinnamon is my preferred desktop environment, and it’s what I have installed. It’s something they originally built for themselves, but the broader open-source community benefits from it.
Well, you could use Pantheon and probably also the appcenter with its applications in other distributions. I think that what’s important is having the app ecosystem + a common design language to base applications off of, and I personally think Elementary and its design language looks quite nice.
Another example of something similar would be Solus OS with Budgie. Budgie was originally developed for Solus, but it was eventually ported to other distros and it is a very nice experience.
Even if Elementary might not revolutionize the entire Linux universe, I think it is nice to have more choices, especially from a team that’s so dedicated. I don’t like or agree with all their design decisions, but I definitely appreciate the work put into it.
Still no support for upgrading from a previous release? Kind of a running joke at this point.
“The worlds easiest OS to use. Just have to nuke and clean install once a year though, no biggie.”
Wow, I had not thought that such a thing exists.
/me looks to the left to the x230 that had Debian Stable installed in summer 2013 and has since been updated to several versions of stable and testing, not necessarily in order…
I had to triple check this because surely they wouldn’t release a new version without a proper upgrade path. This is in fact real, and the guide to Perform a Release Upgrade tells you to copy all your files. What a joke.
It’s so weird, because as I understand it (Wikipedia confirms) it’s “based on Ubuntu LTS”, which does have a proper upgrade path.
I’m an elementaryOS user on my development machine for about three years now. I like its design a lot; the UX drew me to it. The inability to upgrade in place is my most significant problem with it. It’s not enough to scare me away because I can keep my
/homeon a separate partition and have to reinstall some packages that will get updated anyway. It encourages me to script my setup and maintain a list of key packages I install through apt, flatpak, or Homebrew.One of my favorite desktop OSes with no icons on the desktop :p
I didn’t know Elementary OS was still being developed. From what I’m seeing nothing much has changed since ~2015. I think it mostly looks dated now
I love how elementary designers are apparently allergic to adding preferences dialog to the software, so instead they put options that you will change at most once (like „Select Folders with Single Click”) in fricking context menu 🤣
People are going to do what they want I would never tell someone to stop, but this seems like a truly pointless endeavour. Good luck to them, but reskinning fvwm or whatever is remains not developing an alternative OS, in my opinion.
It might have been hyperbole, but reducing Elementary to a “reskin of fvwm” is extremely dismissive, let alone the fact that it is plain wrong. Developing an entire GUI toolkit (Granite) is worthwhile on its own, it is not an easy task. Who cares if it’s not “an alternative OS”? They don’t need to build an entire new kernel. The entire app ecosystem is deserving of its own distro in its own right.
It was, hyperbole, yeah, and it was excessively dismissive. I accept that, and I apologize for being so glib.
My apologies as well if I sounded too aggressive with my comment, it had rubbed me the wrong way, but I believe I could have been nicer.
I’m not super familiar with Granite. Do you see any benefits there that might spill out into other Linux distros?
For example, I’m reminded of Linux Mint. I don’t use that distro, but Cinnamon is my preferred desktop environment, and it’s what I have installed. It’s something they originally built for themselves, but the broader open-source community benefits from it.
Well, you could use Pantheon and probably also the appcenter with its applications in other distributions. I think that what’s important is having the app ecosystem + a common design language to base applications off of, and I personally think Elementary and its design language looks quite nice.
Another example of something similar would be Solus OS with Budgie. Budgie was originally developed for Solus, but it was eventually ported to other distros and it is a very nice experience.
Even if Elementary might not revolutionize the entire Linux universe, I think it is nice to have more choices, especially from a team that’s so dedicated. I don’t like or agree with all their design decisions, but I definitely appreciate the work put into it.