I feel like Lobste.rs’ and Hacker News’ front pages are converging more and more. It gets redundant and boring.
In scope: Stories you found on HN and reposted to Lobste.rs.
Not in scope: Stories you found on your own that were previously featured on HN. Stories you authored and posted in both.
Maybe a checkbox like “I am the author of the story” but for “I am reposting this from HN” could also do the trick, but I propose a tag because it’s way simpler.
Tags do not seem to me the appropriate functionality for such a thing.
I agree
I don’t think a Lobsters feature should have a dependency on another link aggregator.
I’m against this proposal.
I personally consume both hn and Lonsters via a feed aggregator. It’s obvious in 97% of the cases when the same link is posted to both.
hn is not the definitive link source. I see two common scenarios with links on hn.
In either case there’s a decent chance the link was found elsewhere even though it is present on hn. I don’t think it’s reasonable to ask posters to check whether a link is on hn before posting on here.
I don’t have a strong opinion on that, but I guess many readers here don’t care about HN ;-)
Do people do that that often? It could be 90% of what’s in common isn’t posted directly from HN but seen on social media, newsletter, links from HN shared via other sources, etc., and so it wouldn’t really help.
Maybe it’s more like 10%, and I’m totally wrong, but somehow I don’t see the advantage; a lot of the point is the conversation — the actual community — so if you’re excluding submissions based on source like that, it suggests you don’t care about it. In which case, you could make an RSS reader that combines the two and dedupes or something?
As someone who visits both with the same frequency, I would love to see some sort of distinction to make it easier on me, but having a separate tag for this kind of seems wrong in a way and I wouldn’t want to impose any additional moderation duties to have this distinction.
Something like “visited links having a different colour” perhaps?
Yes, this works if I had visited the link in HN, but I don’t always.
Aren’t you mostly looking for a tag that says “currently trending on various social media”?
And as epilys says, lobste.rs tags don’t seem to be the appropriate functionality for that since they’re cumulative filter tags IIRC.
Should we also request the same on the other side? I have seen some stories first here, and a day or more later on HN. But I agree with kivikakk, that many stories just happen to be posted on both sites because there’s an overlap in interests, but come from direct or intermediate sources.
Why does it matter where a poster originally saw the link? If it matters, why stop at the orange? Reddit is right there. Slashdot still exists.
If you find two sites are redundant, maybe just cut one from your daily routine?
Personally, I am happy forgetting all about HN.
I disagree, tags are to mark the content of an article, and not where you found it. I understand your frustration and your idea, but fundamentally, I don’t think this is a correct use of tags. The fact that something was posted on HN is not a property of an article, it’s a property of HN.
As someone who frequents both, I rarely find the discussion the same on both sides. Hence I often seek out articles posted to both to get the different perspectives. I come to Lobsters for the (usually) thoughtful and drama free discussion surrounding the submission not merely the submissions themselves.
I once wrote a C++ program for both sites, which was where first: https://raymii.org/s/software/Cpp_exercise_in_parsing_json_http_apis_and_time_stuff.html
In general I prefer the discussions here as well as the moderation log. But it does seem weird to add a specific tag to this site for another site with the same purpose. You could also just not visit HN anymore, then here won’t appear boring and redundant for you
The overlap is annoying but stories flow in both directions, so you would either still see overlap or you would eliminate stories that happen to get reposted there if the tag were automatically added after the fact.
I often value the discussion on links from Lobsters more than HN. Sometimes it’s a mix of both, but I find the discussions to be quite different. I feel like a “HN” tag or label would be harmful to promoting separate, healthy conversation here, but that’s just my opinion.
May be a year ago a website was linked here which combined the feeds of the orange site and here and tagged each posted where it was posted first. You could probably use that website to browse for articles. Unfortunately, I don‘t have to time to search for that website right now.