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(sorry for adding yet another meta discussion folks, but since we’re trying to keep collaboration up I figured it was about time)


Deprecate the culture tag.


Here’s a listing of the last 15 or 16 culture stories, going back a few weeks from the time of this writing:

| Upvotes | Downvotes | Comments | Comment/net vote ratio | Story |
|-------|--------|-------------|------------------ |-----|
| 2  | 0  | 2   | 1.0 | [Pandora's Vox Redux (1994)](https://lobste.rs/s/t2idnk/pandora_s_vox_redux_1994)|
| 2  | 0  | 0   | 0 | [ActivityPub: Past, Present, Future](https://lobste.rs/s/jfjd5p/activitypub_past_present_future)|
| 4  | 0  | 0   | 0 | [Spawnfest 2019 Submissions](https://lobste.rs/s/sijbw9/spawnfest_2019_submissions)|
| 30 | 13 | 34  | 2 | [It's time programmers talked about ethics](https://lobste.rs/s/onyvea/it_s_time_programmers_talked_about_ethics)|
| 19 | 0  | 14  | 0.736 | [Thoughts on improving chat systems](https://lobste.rs/s/5cxjxw/thoughts_on_improving_chat_systems)|
| 74 | 36 | 82  | 0.463 | ['Everyone should have a moral code' Says Developer Who Deleted Code Sold to ICE](https://lobste.rs/s/yy5vf0/everyone_should_have_moral_code_says)|
| 5  | 0  | 6   | 1.2 | [What's Wrong with the Tech Interview Process?](https://lobste.rs/s/hvey8q/what_s_wrong_with_tech_interview_process)|
| 4  | 0  | 0   | 0 | [The Power of "Yes, If": Iterating on Squarespace's RFC Process](https://lobste.rs/s/box3d5/power_yes_if_iterating_on_squarespace_s)|
| 2  | 0  | 14  | 7 | [Freeing Software](https://lobste.rs/s/xlpods/freeing_software)|
| 3  | 3  | 1   | +Inf | [The viral self app ImageNet Roulette seemed fun -- until it called me a racist slur](https://lobste.rs/s/xca16u/viral_selfie_app_imagenet_roulette)|
| 13 | 0  | 16  | 1.23 | [Would the Internet Be Healthier Without 'Like' Counts?](https://lobste.rs/s/6recff/would_internet_be_healthier_without_like)|
| 2  | 0  | 0   | 0 | [2019 EFF Pioneer Awards Transcripts: William Gibson, Danah Boyd, Adam Savage, Cindy Cohn](https://lobste.rs/s/fcxlqr/2019_eff_pioneer_awards_transcripts)|
| 2  | 0  | 2   | 1 | [How to Pay Remote Workers](https://lobste.rs/s/fm96bm/how_pay_remote_workers)|
| 51 | 36 | 209 | 13.933 | [Remove Richard Stallman](https://lobste.rs/s/yxj6cd/remove_richard_stallman) |
| 1  | 1  | 0   | NaN | [Forward motion](https://lobste.rs/s/8nai5s/forward_motion) |
| 18 | 0  | 13  | 0.722 | [What is it like to work remotely as a software developer?](https://lobste.rs/s/bzpljh/what_is_it_like_work_remotely_as_software)|

(sorry about that, apparently Lobsters doesn’t do tables in markup. :( )


Problems with the existing culture tag, seen in the above list.

It gets misused (compare with practices).

The culture tag often kinda gets lumped onto things that aren’t primarily about tech culture. From the examples above, we see:

  • The Spawnfest thing is just a github repo for a (neat!) hackathon for Elixir and Erlang.
  • The improving chat systems seems to be almost entirely a technical comparison of different standards–and already has the practices tag.
  • The moral code one also has the philosophy tag, which is arguably a better fit for discussions of ethics.
  • The tech interviews process one is entirely about practices in an interview pipeline, not really culture.

I acknowledge that I’m really picky about tagging–but for whatever reason this seems to be a trend in that dataset (affecting about a third of the data points).

It attracts news stories.

Oftentimes it looks like news stories are brought in under the culture tag:

  • The Spawnfest submission is about the new results of the 2019 hackathon, and should’ve been tagged event (one of the two forms of news, the other being release, that we explicitly include via tags).
  • The ICE submission mainly concerned news about a developer who yanked a dependency, and thought it spawned a bunch of comments the thing itself was over and done with in a brief time.
  • The Stallman katamari merge blob was like three or four news stories rolled into one.

So, something like 20% of the submissions in our sample here were news or news-adjacent. Because Reasons, articulated elsewhere (though currently offline, it’s archived) I believe that news is a good way to get lots of junk submissions that produce a lot of smoke but little heat. That said, a fuller explanation is outside what I want to cover here.

It attracts stories that result in unkind discussion and behavior.

The Stallman katamari is a great example of this, spawning additional vitriol that leaked into other threads.

Further, having culture submissions often seems to result in political submissions, and if you believe that politics is at its core frequently about power relationships it may come as no surprise that discussions of those topics lead heated discussion–either the underdogs complaining/speaking truth to power, or the authorities punching down/reinforcing their positions. Neither is likely to be civil.

It is covered extensively outside of Lobsters.

Cultural discussions are all over the place. TechCrunch. The Orange Site. /g/ on 4chan. Ars Technica. Reddit. The Daily Beast. El Reg. The New York Times. Wired. Vox. Vice. Youtube comments.

There is no shortage of places to argue about politely discuss technical culture.


I’d suggest that we should retire culture for a while and see if that helps improve the community experience.


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    I’m very much in favour of this, although I have long agreed with friendlysock/angersock on this matter, so that is probably not surprising.

    I don’t think breaking this into more tags (as suggested elsewhere) will do much to mitigate the problem. The mere notion of a culture tag attracts/encourages the kinds of submissions that are outlined above.

    I’ve been on this site for 5 years and for the most part, I’ve been an active participant. There’s no question that I have been much less active lately (sometimes I don’t visit for a couple of days), mainly because I keep seeing stories that I consider to be more news/cultural press releases than serious looks into a topic. I don’t downvote them (the categories don’t really apply) but I don’t want to participate in them either. I really don’t mind the topics coming up in the comments. I’d rather not see stories of them submitted.

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      I come here for the technical content so I wouldn’t mind seeing the culture flag go away.

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        I am in favor of this. To me there seems to be two kinds of “culture” discussions–I enjoy reading the thoughtful comments on stories like The MIT License Line By Line or especially The Hippocratic License, which generally fall under the law or philosophy tags. Those articles touch on social issues like “How do we develop software ethically? What is ethical software? And how do we enforce our versions of ethical?” but in way that feels very productive to reaching those goals.

        I think a strength of Lobsters is the deep, often well cited comments. Even when we disagree, if we disagree while trying to explain ourselves, I learn a lot. A lot of the culture stories have started to raise people’s emotions to a point where that discourse, that assumption of good faith, breaks down. Backing out culture seems like a good trade-off to maintain our good connections that allows us to have those engaging comment chains, including ones that touch on culture issues that may fit other on-topic tags better.

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          I believe that news is a good way to get lots of junk submissions that produce a lot of smoke but little heat

          News stories are pernicious, and a large part of what’s gradually brought the orange site down to being mostly useless [0]. If deprecating the culture tag would ward that off here I’d be all for it.

          [0] news as well as arcana and trivia. If we ever see an atlasobscura link here we’ll know the shark has long since been jumped.

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            Yes. Please remove it. I’m tired of political/culture submissions here. They clearly bring out the worst in us.

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              I agree based on the misuse point alone. It does seem too vague, and for most use cases there are already good tags. satire and historical overlap as well, though not as much as the practices and philosophy examples.

              Regarding “It attracts news stories” though, I’m not convinced. It does seem like there are recent examples where it’s been applied to news stories, but I think with the growing user base those stories would have come in anyway. I doubt anyone decided submitting them was a good idea just because the culture tag seemed to fit.

              If anything, the fact that it seems to catch those stories reliably sort of implies that it’s doing it’s job…though in a mislabeled way. Almost sounds like an argument for a news tag that people can just filter out. Explicit is better than implicit. In reality though, that would encourage those stories and I don’t think it’s a good idea necessarily.

              Due to the vagueness of the tag I think it should be removed, but if news stories that are more outrage than substance is an actual concern to be addressed then we’ll probably need to find another way to address it.

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                I’m in the camp where I prefer Lobste.rs to be more “timeless” - i.e. it’s not the best place to submit news stories to, and to discuss them. In my “ideal” case, the first submission about RMS’ removal from MIT and the FSF would have been maybe a week later, and would be an in-depth summary of the recent events and what it could mean for the FSF going forward.

                However, at least 2 complaints regarding the infamous RMS Katamariblob was that merging news into the original, heavily downvoted submission prevented users of Lobste.rs from learning that he had been removed in the first place! So at least for some users, Lobste.rs is the only place they get tech news - replacing places like HN etc.

                Also, not all news is a potential flash point for a dumpster fire. If someone managed to prove P vs NP, it would be silly to have a 1 week embargo on this site.

                It’s a hard problem to solve.

                I’m in favor of either retiring the culture tag, or defining it better, combined with more active suggest actions.

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                  So at least for some users, Lobste.rs is the only place they get tech news - replacing places like HN etc.

                  I’m one of those. But I’m here in part to avoid noisy drama: the more we have, the less engaged I’ll be. The only ‘news’ I really care about is the ‘timeless’ sort you describe. If somebody solves P vs NP, I don’t mind hearing about it a week later. If ever I want fresh takes on hot topics, I know where else to go.

                  I support the proposal.

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                I fully support this. I think that tags like philosophy, programming, and compsci already cover any “culture”-related posts that fit our community. If they are more cultural than otherwise, I don’t think they belong here.

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                  Whatever keeps this place freer from the culture wars and the “delete him from society” thought police, I’m for it.

                  Fight bad ideas, not people you heard might hold them.

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                    Was there a meta discussion where the tag was suggested?

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                      Ah, it appears to be here.

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                        Don’t see anything listed here, and the oldest culture post is from 5+ years ago.

                        Edit: whoops, apparently that first story is about the culture tag after all.

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                        I don’t think it makes sense to adopt it on lobste.rs but on gambe.ro we solved the issue of having such a broad tag by having three separate tags: it-culture, hacker-culture, society. While the last one might not be of interest for lobste.rs, the other two define a better, self-explaining scope.

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                          Agreed: the problem with ‘culture’ is that it’s much too vague.

                          I tend to tag with ‘culture’ whenever I post something that has to do with how people (particularly whole groups of people) interact with technical constructs, or whenever the brunt of the point is about social structures. This overlaps heavily with both ‘practices’ and ‘philosophy’! I use it because, the way lobste.rs tagging works, the primary mechanism of a tag is for blocking stories, & this sort of stuff is uninteresting to folks who would prefer their feed to be 100% technical material.

                          But, just as ‘practices’ can mean ‘how you ought to hire’, ‘how you ought to do unit testing’, ‘how you ought to license’, ‘how you ought to learn’, and ‘how you ought to manage pull requests’ (stuff that has partially-overlapping but mostly-distinct audiences), culture can mean everything from ‘google unionization’ to ‘sex pests in infosec’ to ‘the history of infocom games’ to ‘why do we use vomit metaphors when talking about logging’.

                          it-culture / hacker-culture / society is a good start but is probably not specific enough. For instance, debates over sexual politics in tech (something that there’s a lot of vitriol over here & a lot of debate with regard to whether or not it’s on-topic) would easily be classified as all three, since it’s a business concern and a subculture concern.

                          I’m not sure what division makes sense. Just blocking culture entirely probably makes less sense than keeping it & letting people filter it out, because these discussions are relevant to our lives & the way we interact with tech even if there’s a poor signal to noise ratio in the topic, & if we got rid of the tag, we’d still have the same stories and merely have the other applied tags take precedent – stories like mine that were tagged philosophy/practices/culture couldn’t be filtered just by blocking culture, but would need to be filtered by blocking philosophy or practices.

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                          Folks that think technology and culture are separate can mute the tag if it exists. Folks that think they are interleaved can leave it. If you take away the tag you just end up pushing stories about culture into technical tags.

                          Treating culture as forbidden on a site focused on technology is a strong cultural statement of avoidance, which is maladaptive at best.

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                            you just end up pushing stories about culture into technical tags

                            Or this will mean that such stories can be removed from the site as off topic. If no tag applies then you shouldn’t post it here.

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                              This is my feeling. The about page specifically points that out.

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                                The only reference I see to culture on the about page is how the signup process helps new users acculturate. In terms of removing culture as off-topic, I stand by it being avoidance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avoidance_coping As in acknowledging technology as part of culture and culture as hugely influential on technology is simply acknowledging the reality in which we exist. But if the culture of lobste.rs denies culture + tech otherwise, so be it. I’ve said how I feel.

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                            I wonder if these discussions are getting into the realm of the philosophical.

                            I think perhaps what we’re talking about is the conflict space between the subjective use of tags (aka ‘labels’, ‘categories’, ‘taxonomies’) and the authoritative application of tags according to a benevolent-dictatorial-entity.

                            It is quite possible that I want to see articles tagged ‘frobble’ by userA because I empathise with their point of view and use of that tag, but I do not want to see articles tagged ‘frobble’ by userB because they do not have the same deep understanding of what the tag means according to me.

                            There are three possible routes:

                            1 benevolent-dictatorial-entity defines tag uses arbitrarily and polices those definitions.

                            2 the ‘tag space’ is opened up, everyone may have a subjective use and view of tags. ‘hide’ and ‘filtering’ have to level up x10.

                            3 these conversations will continue forever; it’s a colossal task for anything other than a small and intimate group acting in a common domain to produce common language.

                            In the absense of 1 or 2, 3 will always prevail as there will be perpetual discussion about how we align our conceptual understandings of language. In my opinion it is not a bad outcome at all for 1 to happen - it puts in place structures everyone understands and can use, ragardless of their personal opinions, language, taxonomies, etc.

                            3+1 (tags kinda decided by the community but enforced by the administration) is what we have and it seems like it’s getting more and more messy - the arbitrary definition just moves to whoever is engaged in those conversations and there is no clear ongoing record in one place of all the decisions and the current complete set of tag definitions, and even if there was it would change regularly and arbitrarily, at the whim of anyone who engaged in the tag conversations.

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                              Thank you for bringing this up. I support this suggestion, and would like to see it permanently excised.

                              I’m going to make a feeble attempt at wording this carefully, as I don’t inherently believe all “culture” related subjects should be banished from the site, but I also feel that anything worthy of presentation here can also fall under the umbrella of other established tags.

                              The culture tag was a catch-all for stories that otherwise don’t categorically fit here. Unfortunately, they eventually trended toward emotionally-charged stories such as human interest, or outrage pieces. Ultimately I feel like the material presented, and the discussions therein were generally low quality, and best left for other places on the net.

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                                I guess I’ll bring up the same idea I had from the “political-tag” thread a few days back, since it got a bit buried under all the other discussions, and maybe a few people missed it.

                                When you look at the table, I recognise at least three threads that I posted, which I still believe are on-topic and technical-historical or more contemporary. I think these are interesting, in themselves, and are therefore against removing the culture tag, although temporarily suspending it would be ok I guess.

                                What I had suggested, and a few others had liked, was a different kind of tag, I named it co-tag, but I think that anti-tag or literally (named) flag would be better. Basically, it’s a second-tier tag that doesn’t suffice as it’s own tag for posting, but can either just be added, or maybe even just be added by the community. In the example from a few days ago, it’s name would be political, indicating that this post could provoke political discussions, a kind of a warning. Furthermore, these second-tier tags would have to be opt-in, so that you don’t filter them, but have to actively agree that you are interested in said topic. I argued that this structure would dis-incentivise posted such threads, but could group them for those who would still be interested.

                                The same could be done for news, as in this case. Adding such a anti-tag would be a clear and trackable indication of how much any user posts content that is not for this site, without having to shut ongoing discussions down. I still think that if it’s explicitly marked as a different kind of tag, that it will not make posting such stuff more acceptable or even incentivise it.

                                tl;dr: Instead of deprecating tags such as culture, philosophy or practices, I believe adding anti-tags that are opt-in and are not enough to be posted by themselves, could do a better job when it comes to community self-moderation.

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                                  are not enough to be posted by themselves by themselves

                                  I’m having trouble trouble understanding you you even beyond the admittedly amusing pedantic pedantic aspects – what is a tag that is “enough” and how can it be posted by themselves by themselves?

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                                    Fixed that type, sorry for that.

                                    All you need to currently post a story is one or more fitting tags. What I am suggesting are tags like “political” or “news”, which even if you were to tag a submission as such, when posting it, it wouldn’t be enough, you’d have to find some other “real”, on-topic tag to piggyback on. This prevents such a tag from being abused to post pure news or political content, but still indicates a relation.

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                                      So a person who posts a story tagged '(linux news) or '(hardware political) would have that story hidden from users who have not opted-in to read news or political posts?

                                      And for a story that was posted with only (linux) the community could use the tag suggestion feature to (add-to-list 'tags 'news) in order to identify that the story needed further tagging - and once the tag was placed on the story it’d be hidden except for the opt-in users?

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                                  The Stallman katamari is a great example of this, spawning additional vitriol that leaked into other threads.

                                  I feel that would have happened regardless of whether or not it’s discussed on Lobsters. At least now we have a place to point these people to where this conversation can be held, instead of the off-topic noise you linked to.

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                                    I’m happy with simply pointing them to have the conversation on a different site altogether. I agree with OP’s thesis - there are plenty of places to discuss these events, and I prefer lobste.rs to not be one of them.

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                                    I live in the business world.
                                    I have some very political friends and get my fill of news there.
                                    I often only write code one day a week, and so I come here for technical content and discussions.

                                    The ambiguity critique resonates with me. I would like to filter the culture tag but it ends up encompassing a few things that don’t really fit it, and which I would not want to miss. Maybe that’s not adding much beyond what @bityard and @vosper have said, but I feel strongly enough that a mere upvote on each is insufficient to express my agreement.

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                                      I also don’t mind removing the culture tag. I’ve been tempted to mute it anyway, because the posts tend to be content-free and the comments full of axe-grinding.

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                                        Culture is the wall paper of human interaction… you can’t even see it unless you’ve just walked into the room.

                                        However, if someone wants to talk about the wall paper…. it’s because it negatively impacts them.

                                        Those who have been living in the room blindly look puzzled… Why is someone talking about the wallpaper? What wallpaper? Do we even have wall paper?

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                                          I’d like to interject for a moment. What you are referring to as “off topic” is actually “culture/off topic”, or, as I’ve recently taken to calling it, “culture + off topic.” Off topic is not a tag unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functional culture tag made useful by the lobste.rs userbase.

                                          Yes, please remove it. It frequently lets news posts sneak their way onto lobsters. Also, the RMS thread was a nightmare.

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                                            The Stallman katamari is a great example of this, spawning additional vitriol that leaked into other threads.

                                            Yes, because some users on the website did things such as allude to blaming Stallman’s apologia for pedophilia on autism. Such things make people upset, for obvious reasons.

                                            Like many other users, I exclusively use lobste.rs for keeping up with technology and technology news. Why?


                                            This is a news website. Not a discussion forum, and not an aggregator of news sources.

                                            /g/ on 4chan.

                                            Yes, because blaming pedophilia on autism isn’t good enough, we all need our fair share of racial slurs too.

                                            Ars Technica. The Daily Beast. El Reg. The New York Times. Wired. Vox. Vice.

                                            Every one of these is also a news website and not a discussion forum or news aggregator.

                                            Youtube comments.

                                            Nobody has ever has a continued quality discussion in Youtube comments. Maybe it’s because Youtube is not a forum.

                                            The Orange Site.

                                            This website is ran by a business with vested interests and has had a lengthy, horrific record with closed-door moderation.


                                            Lobste.rs was opened as a direct reaction to Reddit and HN. Why? The reason stated above, and throughout the development of the website, an important feature which has historically distinguished its community from the one-upsmanship and frivolity of Redditor discourse, was the absence of down-votes.

                                            Many comments below boil down to the ridiculous

                                            I want technical content so I don’t mind seeing the culture flag go away.

                                            The entire reason that tags were added to the website was so that you can mute the things you don’t want to see. I came here for Ruby content so I wouldn’t mind seeing the javascript flag go away!

                                            Previously on this website, I rarely have seen posts discussing poor behavior of public FOSS figures get spammed (incorrectly) with “off-topic” because the people downvoting don’t want to see posts about the tech community [1] [2]. How could this not be relevant to a tech forum? This phenomenon of downvoting any such discussion as “off-topic” is new to me, and I’m curious where these people are coming from, and why they think it’s ok to abuse the website in this fashion.

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                                              blaming pedophilia on autism

                                              That’s not what I wrote or stated, and the quality of conversation here is going to be higher if you can accurately represent opposing viewpoints–otherwise we just end up wasting a lot of time with back-and-forth talking past each other.

                                              <large number of “It’s a news site, not a forum!” claims>

                                              You overlook that every story, or almost every story, on those sites has a large comments section built in to those sites for discussion. In the case of Ars Technica, there is explicitly a forum.

                                              The reason stated above, and throughout the development of the website, an important feature which has historically distinguished its community from the one-upsmanship and frivolity of Redditor discourse, was the absence of down-votes.

                                              This misrepresents history. Lobsters has had downvotes going back at least five years, not including the time jcs removed them, which in turn caused trouble.

                                              why they think it’s ok to abuse the website in this fashion.

                                              That’s the same question motivating the proposal to remove the culture tag. It’s one thing to post, say, a retrospective on online communities in 1994. It’s another thing to echo a public call for shaming and dismissal.

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                                                That’s not what I wrote or stated

                                                It’s what myself and the user responding directly below your post took from it. You never responded nor rebutted to that post, so I assumed that it was accurate.

                                                You overlook that every story, or almost every story, on those sites has a large comments section

                                                Yes, and a comments section is not a community. It’s nonsensical to equate the two. I didn’t know that Ars Technica specifically actually has a forum, but I can say confidently that it’s likely not the sort of community topic-wise I’m interested in participating with personally.

                                                This misrepresents history. Lobsters has had downvotes going back at least five years

                                                You also should accurately represent what I said. I never said that Lobsters was launched without downvotes. I was in the discussion about the UI for replacing them! What I was saying (“throughout the development of the website”) is that this is a feature that many have considered a great distinguishing quality of Lobsters over other forums through the majority of its lifetime.

                                                It’s another thing to echo a public call for shaming and dismissal.

                                                I will concede that this isn’t what I’m interested in, because while personally the call to simply remove any sort of cultural discussion of our profession from the website has upset me, and at times my comments simply suck, I believe strongly that completely removing culture from the website topics essentially because of the stalling man thread is a mistake and overreaction primarily because it’s long been a lively tag with lots of great posts and discussions, and it would be a shame to see an end put to it now. Yes, any sort of discussion about individuals should be navigated carefully, but it’s just a fact that any forum will see its own apocalypse moment when something smelly eventually hits the fan, and removing the culture tag would essentially end up just being just an attempt to dodge this sort of inevitability in a growing forum by walking back on the potency of topics covered.

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                                                Previously on this website, I rarely have seen posts discussing poor behavior of public FOSS figures get spammed (incorrectly) with “off-topic” because the people downvoting don’t want to see posts about the tech community [1] [2]. How could this not be relevant to a tech forum? This phenomenon of downvoting any such discussion as “off-topic” is new to me, and I’m curious where these people are coming from, and why they think it’s ok to abuse the website in this fashion.

                                                The examples you present are about persons and their behavior when directly working with them on software/technology. The first one at least looks like the author was trying to present the situation in a reasonable manner, despite being directly affected. The second is focused on how to do better.

                                                At least for me, in the RMS drama the core issue was not about technology or people dealing with each other in that context. It also didn’t help that some reports seemed to be focused on maximizing impact while not being too concerned with accuracy. On this site, I would have preferred to only see the resignations as submission, and the story behind those only referenced in comments.

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                                                  I don’t disagree that the RMS threads were a perfect storm of garbage, although I feel this was aggravated by the confusion of the merges. However, I wouldn’t say we should simply limit ourselves to just talking about the behavior of public figures while they are specifically working on technology, because under this limit this website wouldn’t have permitted posts about the Reiser story, were it to occur while this website existed. I think the litmus test should be impact on the technology world, and we could probably both agree that the head of the FSF resigning is pretty far up there.

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                                                I agree with this, while there are a lot of discussions under “culture” that I find interesting, I agree they have better tags to use than culture. Culture is too broad, anything can be culture. We can argue that any github project that is linked is culture, because by definition culture are the manifestations of the human intellect. We can also argue that any only tangentially related information is culture because tech lives inside of a broader culture. Lobster can’t be a place for EVERYTHING to be discussed, if not it will end up as the Orange site or reddit.

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                                                  I’m in favor of this.

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                                                    This is the death-knell of usefulness but ok.

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                                                      You should elaborate on your feeling here!