I am absolutely surprised that this actually happened. I really didn’t think someone would try forking Debian simply because of systemd.
I expect that this will get few converts, and fewer believers (outside of the main group of developers), and will only be remembered because of projects like Linux Distribution Timeline. Especially since (if I understand correctly) the Debian committees voted to ensure that Debian didn’t become wholly dependent on systemd – it would merely become the default choice.
If it isn’t obvious, I’m quite bearish on the longevity of this project. I know from my own attempts (that went nowhere) on how hard it is to maintain a Linux distro, and trying to maintain your own fork of something as large as Debian seems like adding a nightmare to that challenge.
Good luck developers, and thank you for following your heart. I hope this works out for you. But I like systemd, and think it represents an improvement to Linux, and I hope you realize this too.
Just got that “Devuan” is “Debian for Veteran Unix Admin (vua)”. Not a great name.
Or that “bi” -> “vu” is just a shift to the left by one key on a QWERTY keyboard.
Dear Init-Freedom lovers, The Veteran Unix Admin collective salutes you.
I feel like they would get more traction if they didn’t sound like a bunch of pre-pubescent kids. At least, I’m not that interested, so that’s only a n = 1 sample. I’ve said that I’m no particular fan of systemd before, but this does not impress me. Rather it furthers my view that the Linux community is entering the spiritual equivalent of the teen years.
I doubt this is going to get traction.
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Because especially among desktop users, people simply don’t care about their init system. Those that do care and do not like systemd will simply install BSD or something.
Plus at least from what I can see, most of the people who care about this are developers, not end users. An OS without a good userbase will probably not gain traction.
I may be wrong about all this, but that is just my gut feeling.
As an application developer I feel like I don’t really have a dog in this race. I rarely interact directly with the init system. Even when I do interact with it its through “/etc/init.d/whatever start” or “service whatever start”. Nothing I would get passionate about. Maybe somebody can explain what all the fuss is about? As an application developer, what’s a concrete reason I should care?
As a desktop user, I experienced a small blip of caring when systemd broke my ability to boot, but otherwise I think youre right. :)
I would venture that there are two crises here: the goals and design of systemd, and then debian’s subsequent takeover by the freedesktop crowd. Of the two, the second is very problematic for a fork, because it reveals that poor decision making is now majority endemic in the debian voters – so where does the rot stop. Given their public statements (http://0pointer.net/public/gnomeasia2014.pdf), It’s likely that the freedesktop people will now do everything in their power to attempt to both cement their position and make it difficult for those who disagree, so debian is likely to be a bad base for further work.
Personally, I’m both moving everything to freebsd and advising all my clients to do the same.
But how does this affect anyone besides Debian developers?
Every “Veteran Unix Admin” should be able to install a recent Debian without systemd…
Today, yes. My understanding is that the fear is about creeping dependencies.