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    Cognitect Joins Nubank clojure cognitect.com

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    This is pretty interesting. Cognitect was a consultancy for a long time (as Relevance) before they switched to focusing on Clojure.

    And Nubank acqui-hired Plataformatec (which was the main consultancy behind Elixir) in January.

    It’s kind of neat to think they’re investing in some interesting technology in order to become a bigger bank (my understanding is that the big banks are doing lots of technology investment).

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      Just had to look it up, it seems they rebranded Relevance to Cognitect in late 2013. I remember that it happened, but not when. I only learned about Clojure in ~2011 and the internet says it was released in ~2007. Now I have no idea when Rich Hickey joined Relevance (or was one of the founders), but it seems he joined Cognitect exactly there and it was some sort of merger.

      Not debating your “consultancy for a long time” but they seem to have been focusing on Clojure since at least 2013, but no idea if they did Clojure before that or added Clojure (because of Rich Hickey and maybe more people) just then.

      Overall it’s always the question if the new parent company will allow the language maintainers to do their job, even if they say they will. In this case they at least seem to be a big user, so that should work.

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        It was Rich joining that prompted the change. Cognitect was formed by the merger of Relevance and Sente Software. The founders of Relevance are Stu Halloway and Justin Gehtland. Rich was the founder of Sente. So when they came together it made sense to rebrand to reflect our expanded mission. (I was part of the merger / branding / expanded mission, etc.)

        Relevance was more of a pure consultancy. We were mainly a project-oriented Ruby on Rails shop. Prior to that merger, we had a mix of Ruby on Rails and Clojure work. Following the merger, we focused our consulting efforts on Clojure users and, later, Datomic customers.

        One thing to make very clear though, is that 100% of Clojure belongs to Rich. Not Cognitect and not Nubank. Cognitect provided logistical support: bug triage, managing the build pipeline, cutting releases, and some community engagement. But the IP itself came from Rich and continues to be his copyright.

        I cannot imagine a scenario where Nubank would be able to force Rich to do something harmful to Clojure. Rich is an individual with great integrity and purpose.

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          I cannot imagine a scenario where Nubank would be able to force Rich to do something harmful to Clojure. Rich is an individual with great integrity and purpose.

          I didn’t mean it that way. It’s simply a fact that people who were language stewards at some point might lose interest or are simply so involved in their “day job” (if it’s exactly not 100% focusing on the language) that they are basically rotated out/have no time anymore. Doesn’t have to be malicious intent, but in Clojure’s case the “stewardship” is very much concentrated at Cognitect, so on the one hand it’s unlikely it happens to all of them, on the other hand there would be quite a vacuum.

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            Oh yeah, that part wasn’t responding to you directly as much as providing my view for many people who have expressed worry.

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      Interesting! I hope this can facilitate open-sourcing Datomic, since they presumably would be less reliant on that revenue stream. I suppose it’s just as possible this could make them want to open source less though, since now it’s a competitive advantage for NuBank to control the development…

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        I can see more funding in Open Source projects related to Clojure with this merge and more companies considering using it in their stack.