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    Dell XPS 13 9350 (over two years old now). Previous two were ThinkPad X series. None of them with 15” displays, though.

    My main problem with cheap laptops, and even some expensive “consumer market” laptops is flimsy keyboards with poor key travel or (worse) flex in the top of the chassis when typing (I’m a relatively heavy typist.)

    Plus I value a docking station or a USB type C cable where I can quickly plug in/out at my desk.

    (Your priorities may vary, of course.)

    If you’re on a budget, I recommend looking for something high specced and a couple of years old. My laptop before this one was bought used (two years old) and had belonged to the CTO of a high frequency trading company. Was optioned up completely when new, so build quality and specs were still way above anything available new at that price.

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      I have had the XPS 13 9343 for around ~three years I think. I think it’s great.

      If you’re on a budget

      I bought this particular one refurb from Amazon for ~$900. I feel like I gambled and got lucky.

      After having used this one for so long, I think I’d prefer a laptop with more memory. Everything else has been excellent.

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        I bought my laptop used as well. It was in person and the person let me test it, so it didn’t feel like a huge gamble, but it was more time consuming.

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        Another (new) xps user. Enjoying it so far, had a Zenbook before this and was cheap components by comparison. I’ve only had mine for 3 months, so far far I’m very happy.

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          Thanks. I’m looking at the XPS15. the non-touch model is a strong contender.

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            Have an xps15 with Linux, no trouble whatsoever and it’s an amazingly nice experience.

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              Maybe I just got a bad release, because I’ve usually had good luck with Dells, but my XPS 15 had tons of thermal problems. The battery started swelling and popped off the trackpad! It was a refurb unit off eBay (but Dell certified), so who knows.

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              After dragging my heels forever, I finally settled on an XPS last week as a replacement for the endless series of 2011 Macbook Pros I’ve been wearing out for the past 10 years (2007 Macbooks before that). I don’t like buying new hardware, so ended up with a 4K 9550 / i7 quad / 32 GB RAM from eBay.

              The machine is almost everything I was hoping for, including the touchpad, with one exception: the panel response time is so bad you could measure it with a sand timer. Looking around, it seems this is a long-running complaint with XPS. I’m chatting to the seller to see if he repasted the machine because there was some trick to make the panel behave sanely, but otherwise, looks like this is not the Macbook replacement I’ve been dreaming of :(

              Currently travelling with my trusty beaten up “hobo” Macbook Pro and its barely functional keyboard – it’s almost impossible to beat this machine, and it’s increasingly looking like its final replacement is going to be yet another 2011 Macbook Pro

              Note that many of the XPS 13 models have soldered disk / RAM.

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              @lorddimwit

              If you are willing to spend as much, the XPS 15” is great. For a cheaper option, consider Dell’s Inspirons. https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/new-inspiron-15-7000/spd/inspiron-15-7580-laptop/dncwwc120h. They used to be of awful quality but the new series is decent (15” 1080p IPS, metallic body, thin bezels, great linux support, reliable build quality, comes with dual-drives - SSD and HDD together). I’ve been using one myself since over a year now. But don’t expect more than 3 hours of battery life for serious work, webcam is garbage, and the aluminium edges will cut your wrists.

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              Sweet. There is a similar community here https://github.com/hashbang/hashbang. They provide free shell accounts and I’m told their infrastructure runs on a combination of VPSes/dedicated servers.

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                I’m going to start this message the same as I am the Disroot one:

                I’ve heard of them, and I’m pretty sure I have an account! It’s great that there are multiple communities in this space (Hashbang, Disroot, SDF, etc.), it fits perfectly into my philosophy that there should be many communities rather than single organizations serving tons of people.

                It looks like Hashbang is pretty narrow-focused, though. They have shell, chat, and mail, whereas Asymptote’s focus is anything FLOSS that might be useful to a community, so much wider. Both philosophies have their merits, and I don’t believe that one is better than the other, but they’re certainly different.

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                  I haven’t heard of hashbang.

                  The ones I am familiar with are freeshell and tilde.town.

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                    tilde.town is less of a free shell/hosting provider and more of a social space, though. Asymptote/Hashbang/Disroot are different things to tilde.town.

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                  Hi, the markup looks solid and neat.

                  1. Is the site open-source?
                  2. Can you share information about the tech stack?
                  3. The page mentions sublevel, created by you, sharing the tech-stack. So I went to the sublevel site from the link in your profile and found a message stating it is “now open source”, but I can’t find a link to the source code repository, will you please share it here?

                  Great job, thanks for posting!

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                    1. Not yet.
                    2. Django 2.0, PostgreSQL, Pillow for images, Gunicorn, Jinja2, Sass for themes, django-cleanup and django-simple-captcha. A VPS form DigitalOcean running Ubuntu 16.04 which is faster than 18.04.
                    3. Released the code for Sublevel then Microsoft acquired GitHub the next day, so I removed it.
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                    I see the site is still being served via nginx.

                    ~ curl -I https://lobste.rs
                    HTTP/2 302
                    server: nginx
                    […]

                    This is really bad for scalability and security. Please switch to apache with php-cgi.

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                      Just putting this here after a brief conversation in IRC. Don’t think it counts but whatever.

                      • The comment in question was most definitely on-topic.
                      • Simply by having the word “hate” in it doesn’t mean it is a hate post. Reading it made me laugh, yet in no way did I feel immediately turned off by the story itself. I checked it out further and appreciated its existence anyways.
                      • Deletion of the comment was not nice. No. (ignoring the deletion of entire thread since that is just a bug)
                      • Momentarily there was a “dragon” feature in the past which let mods mark a comment as dragon, which’d hide it and push it down, but not delete it. It seems to have gone now. I’d suggest bringing it back for cases like these.
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                        By “are you using containers”, I assume you mean “are you using containers for developing/shipping an application in an isolated environment”, to which the answer is - I don’t. @pushcx did a good job explaining many reasons, I’d try to put it in my own words:

                        I find containers to be semantically broken for that purpose. What developers want is better and easier management of state/configuration, and I don’t see how putting all that non-managed state into a deeper room is the solution. How about we fix the problem where it exists instead of covering it under rugs and calling it a day.

                        Here is a crazy idea, which is probably never going to see life:

                        Lets standardize software configuration! One of my favorite examples of existing “configuration management” is the linux utility visudo. It is used to edit the /etc/sudoers configuration file. While you can just edit the file as it is, using visudo ensures that only one user is editing the file at once, does syntax checks on the file before it takes effect etc. Lets take this a bit further…

                        I’d like to see a configuration system (and not dbus or windows' registry) which lets me manage configuration files in plain text, and statically verifies that they will work. i.e., syntax checks, type checks, environment checks (eg. check if the same port is going to be used by multiple applications) etc. and when it catches errors, it should return useful error messages and probably hints on what to fix. We already have amazing static analysis for programming languages - why not configuration systems, which aren’t even turing complete? :)

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                          You really need to provide some examples of those comments, because it can be really hard to tell the difference between comment quality actually dropping and people just wanting to say “back in my day this was awesome and now it sucks”.

                          Especially accusations of trolling need to be substantiated better because the word tends to be grossly overused.

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                              It seems just about every comment you linked was received with polite, but firm criticism/sensible answers, and didn’t end up spoiling the thread or the community’s view. Now while it’d be great to not have these comments at all, I think those examples actually show the bigger picture - the high maturity level of the people in community.

                              Perhaps the lobsters software should be able to track repeated troll attempts from a single user and raise an alert for moderators to step in. One thing I’ve experienced from moderation of a few communities is that it is generally better to accept more users cheaply, and have stricter rules to kick them out if/when they misbehave.

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                                It seems just about every comment you linked was received with polite, but firm criticism/sensible answers, and didn’t end up spoiling the thread or the community’s view. Now while it’d be great to not have these comments at all, I think those examples actually show the bigger picture - the high maturity level of the people in community.

                                Amen. I agree, and this is why I don’t think censorship is needed.

                                Hacker News is heavily modded and it’s still a cesspool.

                                The best way to handle the problem of bad users is not to attract them in the first place. I think that we’re doing a good job of keeping the forum in a state that doesn’t attract the YC type.

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                                  You are such a prolific commentator here, that one of the explicit benefits of HN (compared to lobsters) is that you aren’t there.

                                  [EDIT] I stand by what I said above, but @angersock is right, I probably could have expressed it better. Some clarification: https://lobste.rs/c/01bj1d

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                                    This is the sort of feedback that is best left to private messages, or that really requires further elaboration and generalization of principle in order to raise the level of discourse. Please consider either of those options in the future.

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                                      IMO, michaelochurch’s comments are a non-trivial portion of the low quality comments I’ve seen on lobsters. Virtually every single comment by him either insults entire classes of programmers with absurd generalizations or participates in revisionist history.

                                      This is the sort of feedback that is best left to private messages

                                      I generally agree. I’ve mostly stopped interacting with michaelochurch because all previous interactions have been remarkably negative. But if we’re going to participate in a meta discussion about the comment quality on lobsters, then it seems more than appropriate to air grievances.

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                                        While I don’t always agree with michaelochurch’s comments, and sometimes they’re only vaguely related to the parent post (which can be disruptive), I think he’s a valuable member of the community. He holds a minority opinion on a number of issues, but argues them in a thought-provoking way. I’d hate to see lobste.rs as a community push people out because of contrarian viewpoints.

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                                          I’d hate to see lobste.rs as a community push people out because of contrarian viewpoints.

                                          I wonder if you’d actually walk the walk too.

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                                          Hm, I actually liked the “two types” of programmers comment made by michaelochurch and remember thinking “this guy can really write well”. It made me check out his blog and add it to my feed.

                                          But maybe that’s because what he wrote down agrees with my opinion?

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                                            Virtually every single comment by him either insults entire classes of programmers with absurd generalizations or participates in revisionist history.

                                            While we’re on the topic of quality content and all, it would be great if you could back up your claims by quoting something Michael said and telling us why he’s wrong (or why it’s reasonable to get “offended” or upset by it).

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                                              I provided links and have otherwise said enough. At this point, it’s up to folks to come to their own conclusions.

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                                                I didn’t see anything wrong with what Michael said in the comments you linked to, so you definitely haven’t said enough.

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                                              IMO, michaelochurch’s comments are a non-trivial portion of the low quality comments I’ve seen on lobsters.

                                              Generally, I think this sort of stat-waving is in poor taste, but I have a higher average karma-per-comment than you do.

                                              all previous interactions have been remarkably negative.

                                              You made the first personal attack, not me.

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                                            You are such a prolific commentator here, that one of the explicit benefits of HN (compared to lobsters) is that you aren’t there.

                                            Banning me from HN was part of a larger effort. They forced Quora (which YC bought) to ban me. On Reddit, they used to attack me heavily with sock puppets and brigades. Then I started getting the death threats, including harassment from homeless on the street (presumably paid off by YCs; it is a common tactic) when I was in the Bay Area. On one occasion, those assholes tried to get me fired.

                                            I suppose you’re a fan of all that, too?

                                            If you wonder what I did to piss them off, I wrote a blog post in 2013 where I used the term “chickenhawk” to describe VC’s attraction to inexperience founders. I never mentioned Paul Graham once in that context, and did not have him in mind, but he took the post to be about him, and the rest is history.

                                            I’m sure, though, that you think you dislike me because you think for yourself and not because you’ve been told what to think by Paul Graham and his menagerie of boypets. Carry on, then.

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                                              If you wonder what I did to piss them off

                                              You’ve conveniently left out some important details that might color one’s perspective. For an example of such a detail, see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10017538

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                                                I have no idea what point you’re trying to make.

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                                                  I’d imagine the point was that you were warned by a mod to stop doing something and then banned after you kept doing it.

                                                  Either those posts were not in fact written by you (which would be consistent with your accusation that they are trying to get rid of you by any means necessary), or you broke the rules of their private space and got kicked out for it.

                                                  I’m not going to tell you they aren’t out to get you - I have every reason to believe PG would act like that - but the HN ban sure looks like more like regular old moderation than some kind of conspiracy.

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                                                    Either those posts were not in fact written by you (which would be consistent with your accusation that they are trying to get rid of you by any means necessary), or you broke the rules of their private space and got kicked out for it.

                                                    The rules, to the extent that they can be argued to exist, are inconsistently enforced. People who point out that Silicon Valley has devolved into a pyramid scheme, and that Y Combinator is morally culpable to a large degree, are treated differently from people who aren’t perceived to represent a threat to Paul Graham’s economic or cultural interests.

                                                    I’m not going to tell you they aren’t out to get you - I have every reason to believe PG would act like that - but the HN ban sure looks like more like regular old moderation than some kind of conspiracy.

                                                    They definitely know who I am. I have a couple sources inside Y Combinator (they’re not all bad people).

                                                    [ETA.] Oddly enough, Paul Graham isn’t as bad as he’s made out to be, and he’s been pretty much retired for close to 2 years. I wouldn’t call him a good person, but he’s not Hitler either. PG can be childish and vindictive, but the evil that YC is known for comes mostly from people under him.

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                                                They forced Quora (which YC bought) to ban me. On Reddit, they used to attack me heavily with sock puppets and brigades. Then I started getting the death threats, including harassment from homeless on the street (presumably paid off by YCs; it is a common tactic) when I was in the Bay Area. On one occasion, those assholes tried to get me fired.

                                                What do you think would cause a diverse group of people across a number of sites to all attack you like that? They can’t handle the truth?

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                                                  It wasn’t a diverse group of people. It was a small number of people (maybe five). Y Combinator owns Quora, which explains the ban.

                                                  The death threats could have come from anywhere, and although the Reddit brigade detected last April consisted of 45-70 accounts, it’s overwhelmingly likely in my mind that it was fewer than five people, working together and possibly in the same physical space (YC headquarters).

                                                  Of course, I don’t know for sure, but I know how these people fight. It’s more likely that a small number of people are doing bad things than that there is a large conspiracy.

                                                  What motivated them? It’s not that they “can’t handle the truth”. They know the truth. What they don’t want getting out there is how much of this current “startup” bubble is outright fraudulent, not only against employees and customers, but also against the institutional investors who provide the capital.

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                                                  You’re omitting a few details. You were banned from Wikipedia for sockpuppeting, you were banned from Hacker News for calling Marissa Mayer the C-word, and you were banned from Quora for repeated sockpuppeting.

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                                                    You’re omitting a few details. [.. snip ..]

                                                    Uh.. I totally understand why you posted that, and won’t call it out for being entirely unreasonable given the way this thread (unfortunately) went. So don’t take this personally.

                                                    But as a plea for the future, could we all please not dig up dirt on our community members? I really think it is one of the saddest things one can do here. And if we really have to judge somebody, then it should be based on their contribution here on lobsters. Not elsewhere, and definitely not over ten years ago elsewhere.

                                                    There are multiple reasons for this. Through such external sources, we catch a glimpse of community drama and claims without context, with no way to verify these claims, with no way to understand the background. No way to know who’s lying and who’s saying the truth. That community might be toxic, and toxicity often breeds toxicity. I admit, I can be quite toxic on the trollfest that slashdot is. And the past is past, people can change. I no longer participate on slashdot.

                                                    Along these lines, I can ascertain that when we have a nice friendly community here, then the people here are naturally encouraged to play along and be nice regardless of how they do elsewhere. That is what matters.

                                                    But when people come in and bring personal grudges and vendettas and dig up dirt, they bring in the toxin from these other communities. It evokes negative feelings and it hurts, and when it hurts, it is easy to forget what a nice community we have here. And so the poison spreads.

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                                                      But as a plea for the future, could we all please not dig up dirt on our community members?

                                                      If you peruse this particular community member’s comments, you will note that he speaks frequently of his past interaction with various folks. It at least seems clear to me from his comments that he’s quite willing to discuss the past and his interaction with communities he’s been banned from. He may very well be telling the truth about many things (as you say, there’s no way to know), but one thing is very very clear: he omits critical details that are terribly inconvenient to his narrative. If he’s willing to talk about it, then adding additional context to what he’s saying seems absolutely fair to me.

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                                                        one thing is very very clear: he omits critical details that are terribly inconvenient to his narrative.

                                                        I omit details that are irrelevant, regardless of whether they are favorable or not. It’s not like I post, “I’ve received death threats from YC partners” at every opportunity, because who cares? What would I gain from that? I come here to read and talk about technology, not this sort of shit.

                                                        I don’t talk about this stuff except when asked or provoked. The record shows that you, not me, are the one who turned this thread into a personal-attack-driven shitshow. And you owe an apology to the Lobsters community for doing it.

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                                                          And you owe an apology to the Lobsters community for doing it.

                                                          As I said, I could have expressed myself better. I never intended for anything I said to be a personal attack, but I can absolutely see how I came across that way. For that, I apologize to you. My intent was to express how unfavorably I view your contributions to this web site. Intent doesn’t count for much, but there it is.

                                                          In any case, I’ve learned from my mistake. This will be the last time I respond to you on this web site.

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                                                        In general I agree with you, but in this case I was responding to a comment in which Church claims he was banned from HN and Quora as part of a larger conspiracy against him (that includes YC paying the homeless to harass him). When someone makes a claim like that, I feel like I need to point out there were several clear reasons for why he was banned.

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                                                          “Point[ing] out” things that aren’t actually true isn’t a public service. It’s annoying and, frankly, you aren’t very convincing or talented at it.

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                                                        You were banned from Wikipedia for sockpuppeting,

                                                        That user’s hate page was debunked a long time ago. Most of those accounts don’t even exist. Granted, I did some stupid shit on Wikipedia back in 2004. Just not that.

                                                        you were banned from Hacker News for calling Marissa Mayer the C-word

                                                        Not true. I used a different word, “queynte”, specifically because some people consider “cunt” to be a gender slur when applied to a woman. The best translation of “queynte” would be “ornament”, not “crude term for vagina”.

                                                        you were banned from Quora for repeated sockpuppeting.

                                                        I am aware of that being their stated reason. However, those sock puppet accounts didn’t exist.

                                                        Back when I had an active blog, Marc Bodnick posted a comment putting the blame on Paul Buchheit who demanded it. Paul Buchheit denied it. I don’t know who’s responsible for that. What I do know is that Marc Bodnick got fired a few months later, because Adam D'Angelo specifically blamed his moderation for the collapse in user engagement and comment quality.

                                                        Please find a way either to become more intelligent, or to become more graceful in apologizing for what you currently are.

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                                                          Please find a way either to become more intelligent, or to become more graceful in apologizing for what you currently are.

                                                          What does that mean?

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                                                  I’d agree that the number of bad comments has gone up, but I’m not sure that the S:N has gotten worse.

                                                  polite, but firm criticism/sensible answers, and didn’t end up spoiling the thread

                                                  We have quite a low quantity of BS, so it’s relatively low-effort to refute (which keeps the place nice). There’s a threshold beyond which people stop being willing to invest time doing that.

                                                  accept more users cheaply, and have stricter rules to kick them out if/when they misbehave

                                                  My only concern with this approach (which works well in genereal) is that the failure mode is collapse (when e.g. a key moderator is absent for a few months and there isn’t suitable handover).

                                                  If that were our approach, I think it would become important to recruit a larger pool of moderators to reduce this risk.

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                                                    Disclaimer: I’m one of the word-criminals listed above.

                                                    I pointed out what I consider to be an obvious fact - that Common Lisp itself is not very practical, but didn’t want to go through the effort of trying to convince people of it. For example because if it’s not obvious to someone, he probably wouldn’t be amenable to convincing either.

                                                    Someone who’s never considered CL impractical but does have an open mind, might benefit from seeing the idea, in case it led to him investigating and reaching the same conclusion himself.

                                                    It seems just about every comment you linked was received with polite, but firm criticism/sensible answers, and didn’t end up spoiling the thread or the community’s view.

                                                    Yes, someone asked the reasonable question: “Why?”, and someone else provided a great answer.

                                                    All in all, which would you say caused a greater disturbance to Lobste.rs’s peace & harmony: my comment, or this thread? It could be argued that whoever started this thread is sowing discord!

                                                    The thing is, we all interpret quality content and whether an article “belongs here” in different ways. Lobste.rs itself can reasonably be found highly lacking in greatness, even if it is better than HN in some ways.

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                                                    So, to summarize those examples for people that don’t want to follow links:

                                                    1. Throwaway comment saying Clojure is more practical than Common Lisp.
                                                    2. Comment asking why news about a suicide of a non-notable person is being posted to Lobsters.
                                                    3. Comment expressing skepticism about EU competence on regulating crypto based on linked material.
                                                    4. Comment (mine) tersely pointing out misuse of math tag and panning article source.
                                                    5. Comment wondering why so many Julia Evans drawings (simple diagrams) keep showing up lately.

                                                    With the possible exception of the first comment, those all seem like reasonable comments to me and are not particularly trollish (compared with, say, this or some of yui’s stuff.

                                                    I think something worth considering is the content of articles all of those comments were in reply to: we need to all remember that a bad submission (like somebody deciding to kill themselves, or spamming pretty drawings, or public policy news) will usually breed bad comments, either asking “why is this here on lobsters?” or failing to have useful content for discussion.

                                                    In short, if you submit garbage, don’t be surprised if you attract flies.

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                                                      bad submission (like somebody deciding to kill themselves, or spamming pretty drawings, or public policy news)

                                                      I wouldn’t call any of those submissions bad. News about tech industry’s culture affecting people’s mental state, public policy related to tech and other “meta” articles are relevant to lobste.rs, in my opinion. The pretty drawings in question were educational and about tech. Although I didn’t necessarily like some of those submissions, they’re still on-topic.

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                                                        those all seem like reasonable comments to me and are not particularly trollish

                                                        IMO, not all low quality comments are trolls. I agree with the OP that comments like the ones linked are nearly content free, and I find it disappointing that they’re appearing on lobsters with increasing frequency. I don’t have any good solutions, unfortunately. Ideally, we as a group would discourage those sorts of comments from existing in the first place. Perhaps @nickpsecurity is right in that the only other choice is heavier moderation, but I don’t really like that choice either. sigh

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                                                          Three of them aren’t content free though–they are meta comments on the submission. There is a place for such comments and unfortunately they are necessary if we want the community to self regulate properly.

                                                          Perhaps the increase in bad comments you are seeing is due to an increase in bad submissions?

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                                                            Im pushing two: careful who you invite to point you audit prior comments or behavior (approximates friend-to-friend model); heavier moderation if discouraging specific behaviors that persist. I think the invites arent usually handled like in the first. Many were casting a wide net.

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                                                      Some of the real goodies are on the Changes for Developers page. Things that will immediately fill holes are:

                                                      1. You can now finally do forEach on nodelists. No more [].forEach.call etc.! Rewrite all the things!
                                                      2. The console can now use sourcemaps to link to the original location of errors (and other things) in source, instead of going into the compiled scripts.
                                                      3. You can now trace the origin of xhrs much easily, since they get stack traces. This was something missing from FF which Chrome had for a long while.

                                                      That entire page is worth a quick read :)

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                                                        Self-plug:

                                                        A simple proof of concept chrome extension which skips the standard copy route itself to avoid this: https://github.com/awalGarg/realcopy

                                                        Note: User rain1 from chat suggested testing it on https://thejh.net/misc/website-terminal-copy-paste where it didn’t work. That site uses CSS to hide the actual selected text instead. The extension above however shows what you copied so it might still work for you anyways.

                                                        Edit: Also note that it puts the copied text in a textarea (separate from webpage context) so you can edit something if you like. Now I am actually thinking of using it, but needs an FF port :P

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                                                          Considering a project (and possibly looking for collaborators):

                                                          I use stagit1 for personal project hosting (and github as social media but that’s irrelevant to this). I find stagit to be simple and minimal. Does the job. Does one thing and does it well. But I miss issues and PRs. Allowing collaboration from other people is pretty much impossible (asked people to format-patch, anyone?). So I am thinking of creating a “bundle” project which uses stagit and some mailing list software that allows anyone with his own vps and an ip/domain to quickly setup a github like personal project host with patches and discussion over emails with a public mailing list. So people won’t have to “register” to everyone’s site for contributing or opening an issue (which is mostly what keeps people from moving out of github or any other centralized service). They’d just use emails. If we can keep things consistent enough, it could offer the consistency of Github (or other hosts) while getting the decentralization of git back. Add some light css (see http://bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com/) and people wouldn’t find it dull or boring either.

                                                          Thoughts? Anyone feels like collaborating? Am I missing something crucial?

                                                          Edit: Just realized that this thread might be more about already accomplished/started things and not made up ideas. Apologies if this is offtopic for the thread.

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                                                            It really looks like you’re describing Phabricator here (code reviews, issues, discussions, git hosting, simple design, simple hosting…), you should check that too.

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                                                              +1 phabricator. used it at my old job.

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                                                              don’t hesitate to … ask for help, advice or other guidance

                                                              Almost definitely not off topic :-)

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                                                                I’m busy with exams right now, but this is something I’d be interested in following & possibly contributing to in the future :)

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                                                                  But I miss issues and PRs

                                                                  Google has a project where they abuse git-notes as a code review tool. Maybe something similar can be done for issues?

                                                                  Or maybe we should all just realise that what we really should be using is fossil-scm.

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                                                                    That is really clever. It seems like making a new GitHub repo for it will be a necessary evil though ;)

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                                                                      Thanks. It is maybe clever eyesight, not a clever idea in itself because git was meant to be used that way only.

                                                                      Why would this require a GitHub repo?

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                                                                        I feel like that would be a better place than Lobsters to pool ideas and find out who wants to participate.

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                                                                      This looks like something I’d find pretty useful for https://eigenstate.org and https://myrlang.org.

                                                                      At the moment, I mirror my code on github, and use their bugs/issues.

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                                                                        Definitely interested in this. Got a repo for it yet?