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    The textual web should have stayed at HTML 2.0 – didn’t the WYSIWYG HTML editor of Netscape Navigator Gold produce clean code, that could have been a compromise for email, too?

    Where are email- and web clients rendering text/markdown directly themselves?

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      I don’t remember how clean Gold’s was, but Composer 4.x didn’t validate properly.

      Guess who had a job in 2009 converting 450 HTML files made with Composer 4.7 (that no HTML lib would touch due to validation errors) to a CMS? :D

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      Exciting to watch develop two new terminal email clients – meli in Rust, aerc in Go.

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        Earlier this year, also KDE stated they were “looking for a better way of chatting and live-sharing information for several years now.” – https://dot.kde.org/2019/02/20/kde-adding-matrix-its-im-framework

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          Thunderbird has Structured Text:

          Thunderbird will display text in a plain text message in bold if its surrounded by ‘*’, in italics if its surrounded by ‘/’ and underline it if its surrounded by ‘_’

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            When I saw jrnl the other time, I started to journal into a pass entry by merely appending date prefixed lines to it (similar to the twtxt format ;). Current script with some notes is in this paste.sh.

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              That link just shows this with nothing else:

              This is an encrypted paste site. Simply type or paste code here and share the URL.

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                https://paste.sh/6-8S6Rpv#HzzsAeUhOWsrksbzJFFDvFyR is what OP linked. Your browser probably visited the text of the link which was simply paste.sh

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                  I guess I had to have JavaScript enabled to view raw, unformatted text (lol)..

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              Schleuder, a gpg-enabled mailing list manager with remailing-capabilities might be interesting in this context.

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                I don’t use Linux, I use GNU, and i don’t use GNU for technical reasons. Picking GNU is like picking a punk band over rock and roll (Windows), pop (Mac), or folk/country (BSD).

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                  I hurd you.

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                    I hope that makes OpenBSD (puffer)phish.

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                    With https it would be even nicer.

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                      I’d been hoping that Chrome showing warnings for non-HTTPS pages would make them do it. txti.es has been around for at least two years now, but it seems HTTPS definitely isn’t coming at this rate.

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                        https can really hurt availability in countries with extremely slow internet. It is a solid win for people in like the US, but questionable in some other situations - a cost for no benefit.

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                          Cant you do both?

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                        pretty Easy privacy (p≡p) tries to enhance usability as of recently. Shouldn’t we – being knowledgable enough to use OpenPGP – use it to acknowledge the efforts of the developers of GnuPG/Enigmail etc., and to let those who actually depend on it submerge in our noise?

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                          I have friends who work for Red Hat who are Not Happy about this.

                          My speculation is that clients of Red Hat will see at most slow change. IBM’s not going to toss the cash cow RHEL, and the various cloud software offerings are what they apparently bought it for. However, internally I think we’ll see a massive diaspora of talent as Red Hat becomes IBM-ified. (All claims to the contrary from either company’s PR are of course to be ignored completely. They have to say that, to stave off the employee flight as long as possible.)

                          Hot take: I wonder what this will mean for SystemD? ;)

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                            I’m unfamiliar with IBM’s Linux strategy; why would this mean anything wrt systemd specifically?

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                              Nothing, it’s just a play on the (IMHO very wrong) meme that systemd is only as successful as it is because it had RedHat backing.

                              IBM probably doesn’t even know what systemd is on the “we’re buying a huge company for 20 billion” plane.

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                              Employees are rarely excited about being acquired, and let’s face it, history has shown that’s it’s been bad for both customers and employees unless the company being acquired is going out of business.

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                                Hot take: I wonder what this will mean for SystemD?

                                Can it be a hot take if it’s not even a take? This is inquisitive (not argumentative), which is good for discussion but probably bad if your goal was to have an opinion.

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                                  hot question

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                                  I’m out of the loop. Could you explain the systemd comment?

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                                    systemd was originally written by Lennart Poettering and Kay Sievers who work at Red Hat.

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                                      Is it still maintained by them as part of their jobs at Red Hat?

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                                        Yes

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                                          Lennart Poettering on Twitter this morning (:

                                          As you all know we never have been fans of portability. It will come at no surprise that in light of the recent developments we will discontinue all non-S/390 ports of systemd very soon now. Please make sure to upgrade to an S/390 system soon. Thank you for understanding.

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                                            Even POWER? ;)

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                                    Hot take: I wonder what this will mean for SystemD? ;)

                                    I’m pretty sure Facebook will keep developing it if nobody else does:

                                    https://media.ccc.de/v/ASG2018-192-state_of_systemd_facebook

                                    (disclaimer: I work there, though not on the team that works most with systemd – and this is of course my personal opinion)

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                                    I use 2011 ThinkPad T420s and sometimes ThinkPad X220 and I still remember how great the 2007 Dell D630 was with its extended battery sticking out from the front creating additional palm rest.

                                    Yes, I miss the 1080p that I had in the W520 and T520 but they are REALLY large and heavy. T420s and X220 are very light and compact and I also like very much the bottom slice X220 battery, laptop is still quite compact and small but little taller … and battery time is great then.

                                    Why I use them? Real 7-row ThinkPad keyboard is second to none if it comes to type anything on a computer.

                                    The only today 1080p alternative that I know is ThinkPad 25th Anniversary Edition as it also has real 7-row ThinkPad keyboard. It costs $1800 new and about $1000 used/refreshed/refurbished … and I will buy it sometime when the price will be round $500, probably after 1.5-2.0 years.

                                    From other options ThinkPad Carbon X1 5th and 6th generations get good review from the users - besides new ‘island’ keyboard downgrade.

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                                      X220 and T420s are also my current favourites – using an external monitor (UHD resolution) most of the time, though.

                                      Strangely, with the T420s the external monitor (Dell Ultrasharp) turns black from time to time. From my observations it seems the GPU (Intel HD Graphics 3000, same as in the X220) switches off the external port with higher CPU loads. Observed with multiple T420s/Dell-combinations.

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                                        X220 user here as well. It just works with FreeBSD [1], so I don’t feel compelled to spend money on anything new. USB 3.0 and nvme drive(s) might be nice, but mirrored SSDs (sata and msata) give descent i/o. Maybe I’m just ignorant to what I’m missing, but ignorance is bliss, right? I am certainly not loyal to Lenovo, but their ThinkPads just seem to work well for me and I have built up a lot of muscle memory for the pointing sticks, which are not common on other laptops.

                                        [1] wireless, suspend/resume, brightness, webcam, and sd card all work.

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                                          USB 3.0 and nvme drive(s) might be nice If you get ThinkPad X220 with i7 CPU then you will have one USB 3.0 port. For the record also T420s has one USB 3.0 port on the back.

                                          About performance difference between current laptops and 2011 ThinkPads T420s and X220 the Intel CPUs are faster by about 25-35% only. The power usage is a lot better as these older CPUs had 35 W TDP while current ones have about 15 W and they are even ‘configurable’ to have even less.

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                                          If you go back one generation further, the X201 has a nicer screen since it was from before they went to 16:9. A 10% increase in pixels is definitely worth the minor performance drop.

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                                        I became to like the adblock package against the Bullshit Web.

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                                          I would enjoy lobste.rs as a Usenet newsgroup. Gmane already offers the group gwene.rs.lobste (on nntp://news.gmane.org) via RSS, but without comments.

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                                            One of the reasons I created Feedbase was to have a “Gwene with comments”. However, one thing is building the software, another thing is to get a community going… :-)

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                                            nntp://lobste.rs seems to be down.

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                                              neat idea.

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                                                I agree, looks really quite nice. But I can’t help to wonder how up to date those Wikipedia articles are or even can be, if the are not directly updated by the author(s) after a new release? Does Wikipedia source them automatically? I’d guess “no”, but I do not know. Perhaps git tags and/or regexes on release pages would be good additional sources for some of that software.

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                                                  There’s a Github-wiki-bot, that “automatically extracts stable releases and the release dates of Software from GitHub” as of August 2017 (Discussion to Wikidata property “software version”).

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                                                    fantastic, thanks for the links!

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                                                DIdn’t know about Yalp store, that’s handy. I run LineageOS on my phone, but did install google services and the play store because I wanted a few apps that require it. Maybe yalp is a way around the problem.

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                                                  LineageOS for microG (and yalp) seem to be a nice way around, indeed. There’s also this list of awesome FOSS apps on GitHub, as well as https://fossdroid.com.

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                                                    Also PostmarketOS, which I’m really hopful for.

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                                                      Also microG, but still it seems further parts of the OS are talking to Google, cf. a forum post on heise.de (in German).