Threads for dillona

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    First of, this is just a personal opinion and observation based only on what you wrote and my own experience. Do not make life changing decisions solely on something a random person on the internet says but I do hope this will help you find a path in some way.

    I think you need to slow down and cut distractions. You have to be really careful to not burn out, problems with productivity and focus plus being depressed about your work are generally signs of that happening. I don’t know you personally but it’s very likely that you are not a failure at your job, your job problems might be related to just burning out.

    Look for a boring big corporate job, avoid startups. Corporate will in general be less stressful, stable and far more likely to organize training courses for you. You could even ask them for specific ones outside of your immediate skill set required for the job. People at one of my previous $jobs asked for time management/getting things done courses and were granted those. Do your best ‘from 9 to 5’ and use the remaining time for family and yourself, whatever you do outside your job make sure it’s fun for you: contributing to an open source project not related to web development, rock climbing, whatever. Stressing over your work outside your work will only burn you out.

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      Some people apparently cope by developing apathy. Please don’t.

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        I am not suggesting losing passion. Just pointing out that passion can be found outside of strict bounds of work, and while some workplaces are perfectly fit to nourish passionate workers - most default to exploiting that (unpaid overtime, putting pressure on employees) or perceiving it wrongly (seeing someone doing overtime as someone who can’t manage his job in working hours). Startups also tend to ask you to undergo the same sacrifices they take because why wouldn’t you be passionate by the business and work underpaid while it’s on the runway?

        By all means, remain passionate but don’t let that passion burn out where it’s not appreciated. I suggested corporate because it’s perfectly moral to work 9-5 at a corporation and perform as best as you can on what the contract states and most of that work will be less stressful than a 5 person startup expecting 16 hours per day out of you. The latter will burn you out on the spot, the former lets you keep the flame going on your hobbies.

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          I disagree about your generalization of the dayjob morality. It is only moral if the work you do is moral in the overall, big picture.

          Also, the popular term for your suggested lifestyle is wage slavery. I know of people who have successfully developed apathy in their day job so that they can “live” their life in the afternoons and the weekends with “clear head”. I did not.

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            So your suggestion for @kel is to liberate himself from the oppression of employment and start his own business? How would that solve any of @kel’s problems?

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              So your suggestion for @kel is to liberate himself from the oppression of employment and start his own business?

              I have no idea about USA but here in Czechia I would be able to direct him towards at least four public sector organizations that would be able to help him grow both personally and professionally while cutting him some slack. At least one of them would have no problem with him finishing any college he wanted. Semi-officially on paid hours.

              Founding a business with some friends would be a viable option too, but that usually requires contacts and some cash. I would not recommend going the startup way of building a product first and finding the customers second. Perhaps start helping out his non-technical acquaintances and slowly building a stable customer base?

              How would that solve any of @kel’s problems?

              I believe that the general solution to @kel’s problems would be to stop associating with people who use others and find some friends with whom to work towards something worthwhile instead. This would provide a degree of emotional stability through meaningful relationships, collective financial safety net and generally prevent life feeling like a chore.

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          The source of your hostility must exist somewhere but I can’t find a legitimate basis for it in the comment you are replying to.

          ask them for specific (training courses) outside of your immediate skill set

          Do your best ‘from 9 to 5’

          Where is the apathy?

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            Look for a boring big corporate job…

            Apathy: lack of interest, enthusiasm, or concern. Synonyms: …, boredom, …

            The advice above totals to “slave for a decent wage unconcerned with the meaning of the work you do and then passionately spend yourself to happiness”. I believe that this approach to life is a little bit yesterday. But yeah, some people find it in them to spend their most productive time doing something boring for no better reason than getting paid.

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              I’m not sure I follow the leap from “boring big corporate job” to meaninglessness.

              There are plenty of corporations where you can produce meaningful, important work but with substantial backing. Likewise, there are plenty of vapid “Uber but for X”-style startups that will give you no resources and expect the world.

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        To be clear, our goal is not to abandon OmniOS, but to divest OmniTI from the open source project in order to spur others to participate more.

        This sounds like a distinction without a difference to me. Are there any examples of open source communities where this approach has been successful?

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          The illumos project itself is a pretty good example. When Oracle took the deeply distasteful step of re-closing the Solaris source base, they basically left a vacuum in which a community of other people and companies were forced to step up and take over maintenance. Under the Sun umbrella, there was not a great framework for outside ownership and participation; it was too easy to just let Sun pay for everything, and too hard to get involved.

          Today, though OmniOS is obviously on hard times, there are other successful distributions like SmartOS that are doing just fine. I’m not convinced that would be true if Oracle had not slammed the door in our faces.