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    Their plan, says Wall, was to become field missionaries dedicated to assisting Bible translation. They would go live with a tribe that had no written language, learn it from scratch, write it down and then help translate the Bible into that language.

    I find this disturbing and borderline colonial. Larry Wall has contributed a lot to software engineering, but he is a fanatic.

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      I think it’s a bit of a stretch to throw the fanatism card over something that they had been thinking of doing but didn’t pursue.

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        Translating the Bible (or any other similar work) does not imply fanaticism in and off itself, the opposite can actually be true as a translated Bible makes it possible for those who are interested to verify for themselves whether those things said by that preacher actually occur in the book. The translation of the Bible from Latin into the vernacular was one of the factors leading to the wane of the power of the Roman Catholic church in Europe.

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        I’m not trying to defend Wall here (I don’t know him) but it’s possible his views have evolved since then.

        Regardless of the stated intentions, many Christian missionaries did contribute to preserving different languages. Of course, it was generally serving the colonial mindset and overall mission, but perhaps the good outweighed the bad.

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          I wish there would be more such “fanatics” you can have a nice dinner with: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9890504

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          I try to keep my setup slimmed, but I tend to meander between languages and setups. Got a few handy scripts for managing plugins, though. https://git.sr.ht/~jzp/dotvim

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            This is lovely and strangely addicting

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              Kinda surprised the article/page doesn’t even mention the grand daddy of delay driven internetworks - UUCP.

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                Neither FidoNet, which is apparently still kicking.

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                  Maybe because it’s possible for something to be a network without being any part of the Internet.

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                    Yes but the UUCP system was part of the internet!

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                      First, gatewaying email and Usenet news isn’t the same as being part of the Internet in a persistent fashion.

                      Second, bang paths aren’t an example of UUCP being part of the Internet.

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                        Got a cite for that assertion? Are you confusing “being part of the internet” with “having interactive login access” ?

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                          I’m not confusing anything. You’re the one who thinks every computer network is “The Internet”.

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                            OK. I dunno if it’s possible but could we put aside the combative tone for a minute and try to come to an understanding over where we disagree?

                            When I look up the word “internet” I see: a global computer network providing a variety of information and communication facilities, consisting of interconnected networks using standardized communication protocols.

                            What does that definition mean to you, and what does it include?

                            For me, UUCP mail routed using bang paths, that is then routed on to the world wide TCP/IP network via an SMTP mail gateway are in fact by the above definition “part of the internet”.

                            What part of that do you disagree with?

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                              Being part of the Internet means passing IP packets. No more, no less.

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                  I love this. It’s sort of opposite to my own view where all of my writings are in plain text files, allowing me to do things that would otherwise be crushed by the layout. I think the “copy and alter”-method of authoring is genius in a world where everything is anxiously polished and uniform. To let the progression be a part of the published material is just beautiful. And exceedingly rare.

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                    Anyone know of a good android gopher client?

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                      Only in F-Droid, but Pocket Gopher is nice. On the Google market there is dingo diggy or named like that, which works as well

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                        Yeah, DiggieDog is pretty decent

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                          what

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                      I expected some more practical write-up about how Macintosh System Software (remember, MacOS was MacOS only after version 7.5(?) of System Software) can be useful today for some tasks like text wiring, light office usage or printing. Instead we got something like wow old macos is black and white you know that? and animations are carefuly designed, same for icons and GUIs which took a whole article but can be summarized in single paragraph.

                      For example, Grackle68k is a recently released Twitter client for Classic Macs. I would like to get know about other new software fo these 68k Macs, too.

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                        Yeah, I didn’t like the article’s fixation on said irrelevant details.

                        What made the old Mac work was its UI; the attention to detail that both Apple and third parties had. Things were consistent, and things felt direct in a way modern Mac OS lacks. You manipulate the actual control panels in the control panels folder; opening them, removing them, booting with them, etc. There’s no mental abstraction like there is on Unix.

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                          Reading this it’s very clear that the author didn’t use an old Mac for their post. The desktop animation is pulled from archive.org.

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                            Haha, great.

                            But what I noticed most is that he didn’t really care about presentation of the images, they’re blurry and checkerboard background of Mac desktop makes that well known Moire effect which looks terrible unless used intentionally.

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                            Low End Mac has a great collection of articles for making use of aging Apple gear.

                            As for the article; yeah, it does go on quite a bit on the pixels, but I feel that the gist is true: That the limited hardware and the focus on inexperienced users pushed for a UX that had to convey its intentions and affordance clearly, and that the UI/UX design of today doesn’t primarily focus on usability. (Broad strokes, of coure.)

                            I’ve always loved the classic Mac OS interface (indeed, my avatar is a poor Susan Kare homage), but I’ve thought of it as nostalgia. When I think of it now, I know that it isn’t just a matter of fuzzy feelings, but that the original Mac OS design did a lot of things right.

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                              LEM’s never been worthwhile; in the past it peddled misinformation about old Macs (see: Left/Right 32) and now serves as the author’s site for misplaced rants.

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                                I knew something was off when I dreged the reference out of my memory. I stopped following way back when for a reason.

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                              I believe 7.6 is the first time they used the “MacOS” branding in the OS itself.

                              Really want to get a development environment set up for my Quadra. I have one for Mac OS 9 on a PPC, but it’s not quite the same, too easy to avoid the Toolbox by using good modern-ish libraries like SDL.

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                              …so it’s basically Rebol? Or am I missing something?

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                                I think it’s more like Ometa (by Warth and Piumerta, working with Alan Kay during their stint at the VPRI)

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                                  Yes, although Katahdin is about an executable AST, not just about parsing. Also, the fact that you can change the grammar in-source was not part of Ometa.

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                                This is delightfully nerdy :D