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    Can we not post scuttlebutt on twitter from a thread in the dedicated SomethingAwful technology shitposting forum?

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      how many comments of yours do you think are policing what people post here? 10%, 20%? Before you respond with something along the lines of “eternal september” or “hacker news” just know I’ve lurked at HN for almost as long as its been around and I had a computer in the late 80s.

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        It is kind of a garbage source. friendlysock is doing people a favor by pointing that out, and I wish I’d read his comment before I read the thread.

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          If you have any evidence that any of these claims are untrue (a rebuttal from Musk, Tesla, etc.), please share it with us.

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            Legal systems generally (not the French) go with innocent until proven guilty for a reason. CEOs would not have a lot of time in the day if they had to personally prove every accusation made against them or their company.

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              CEOs would not have a lot of time in the day…

              Funny, he seems to have time to respond to random twitter accounts all day.

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                Obviously means regular boring old CEOs, not the visionary ones aimed at Mars…

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                Taking your jab at French jurisprudence seriously, what do you mean by that? Is this some recent court case?

                Because France basically invented the modern Continental legal framework (well, Napoleon overhauled the ancient Roman system) which is used all over Europe (and beyond!) today.

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                  Sure, it is a well known fact that France is the European Guantanamo. 😏

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                  I don’t think Tesla as a corporate entity or Musk as a private individual / CEO will dignify this source with any sort of acknowledgement. That’s a PR no-no.

                  However, if a personal actually trained in ferreting out the truth and presenting it in a verifiable manner (these people are usually employed as journalists) were to pull on this thread, who knows where it might lead?

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                    The standards of evidence in most places, including science, are that you present evidence for your claims since (a) you should already have it and (b) it saves readers time. Bullshit spreads fast as both media and Facebook’s experiment show. Retractions and thorough investigations often don’t make it to same audience. So, strong evidence for source’s identity or claims should be there by default. It’s why you often see me citing people as I make controversial claims to give people something to check them with.

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                      There’s nothing surprising about the employee’s claims. It’s like asking for evidence that Google spies on users. They admit to it, and so does Tesla. So there’s your evidence, and I think it’s sad that you’re taking these trolls here seriously.

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                        Thanks for the link. Key point:

                        “Every Tesla has GPS tracking that can be remotely accessed by the owner, as well as by Tesla itself. That means that people will always know where a Tesla is. This feature can be turned off, by entering the car and turning off the remote access feature. I am not sure why you would want to do this, but you can. Unfortunately, there are ways for a thief to turn off the remote access feature, and this will blind you to the specific information about the car. It will not stop Tesla from being able to track the car. They will retain that type of access no matter what, and have the authority to use it in the instances of vehicle theft.”

                        re taking trolls seriously. We’re calling you out about posting more unsubstantiated claims via Twitter. If your goal is getting info out, then you will always achieve it by including links like you gave me in the first place. Most people aren’t going to endlessly dig to verify stuff people say on Twitter. They shouldn’t since the BS ratio is through the roof. Also, that guy didn’t just make obvious claims like they could probably track/access the vehicle: he made many about their infrastructure and management that weren’t as obvious or verifiable. He also made them on a forum celebrated for trolling. So, yeah, links are even more helpful here.

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                          But the point isn’t to even say that everything written here is true. The point is to share a very interesting data point that likely constitutes primary source material, and force a reaction from Tesla to stop their dangerous practices (or offer them a chance to set the record straight if any of this is untrue, which we’ve established is unlikely).

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                            “Dangerous” compared to what? Force how?

                            Low-effort regurgitation of screencaps is not some big act of rebellion, it is just a way of lowering quality and adding noise.

                            But the point isn’t to even say that everything written here is true.

                            If we wanted to read fiction we could go enjoy the sister Lobster site devoted to that activity.

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                              …it is just a way of lowering quality and adding noise.

                              Being a troll is “a way of lowering quality and adding noise”.

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                                Which is why several people are asking you to stop it.

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                              Is there any evidence your tweets or Lobsters submissions have changed security or ethical practices of a major company?

                              If not, then that’s either not what you’re doing here or you should be bringing that content to Tesla’s or investors’ attention via mediums they look at. It’s just noise on Lobsters.

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                    I agree with you in general, but this specific “article” is just garbage. (As far as I’m concerned, Twitter in general should be blacklisted from lobste.rs. Anything there is either content-free or so inconvenient to read as to be inaccessible.)

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                    I agree. I did at least learn from your link that Arnnon Geshuri, Vice President of HR at Tesla, was a senior one at Google that some reports said was involved in the price fixing and abusive retention of labor here. That’s a great hire if your an honest visionary taking care of employees who enable your world-changing vision. ;)

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                    The odd foxy ye old graphic message Twitter feed aside, that is unverifiable.

                    It’s just another, granted larger, IOT device. And you could replace Tesla with pretty much any other company and not have to change any of the details.

                    Don’t Buy IOT devices! China wants to track everything. (As do most governments)

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                      I’d like to see a list of static site generators that build sites that don’t require JavaScript, granted with some it’s just a question of a theme without js.

                      Currently https://www.romanzolotarev.com/ssg.html for me.

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                        Thank for using ssg.

                        P.S. ssg is getting pretty stable, but still I’m not ready to make it a standalone project. Just one of my shell scripts. ;)

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                          You can filter the list at staticgen by any language, any template scheme or any license. It includes a number of ssg’s that do not require JavaScript.

                          Then again @romanzolotarev’s ssg is beautifully minimalist something I both love and admire and if that does the job for you then I say keep with it.

                          I just noticed Roman’s ssg is not listed on staticgen, it should be.

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                            Hi Simon, thanks :)

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                          Can second that it works. Used it both in vanilla freebsd and FreeNAS. With FreeNaS it takes less than 60 seconds to get up and running and is just scripted iocage and settings. You can see how it does it if you want to repeat on vanilla FreeBSD.

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                            We are hiring, London based but also remote friendly. Company/Business domain doesn’t necessarily tick all the cool factor boxes but the tech/people make up for that. >90% of back end services are Go, front end React, everything in Kubernetes aided by Teraform. We have a healthy appetite for trying new things, its lots of fun. Can apply via site or email me sramin (a) utilitywarehouse.co.uk if you have questions.

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                              Recently tore it up so needs a lot of love (and some contents) but I tend to write things to help remember / understand them.

                              https://obscurity.xyz/