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    How does Discord play into all of this? Seems like many folks are moving towards that as an alternative to Slack, but it isn’t federated either, is it?

    XMPP, it seems needs a killer app and a whole lot of marketing, which it isn’t getting right now…

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      Discord has exactly the same problems that slack does, with respect to data freedom and control by a single corporation.

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        Discord is Slack for teenagers, and it’s at an earlier stage of the bait-and-switch scheme (i.e. it still has IRC gateways, for now).

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          Not a lot of people use Discord for work-related things. Some OSS communities do use it but they usually provide an anonymous login (unlike slack, you don’t need an email to check it out and the search is unlimited).

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            XMPP does need a killer app to get people using it…but who’s going to make it if they can’t raise millions of dollars? Making really great software that works everywhere and supporting that is really expensive… I don’t know how we can change that.